Hillsborough Inquest

[Grogger]

So glad the truth has finally come out. Hopefully the the families can finally start to work on getting some closure.

Such a horrible incident that could have been avoided. My uncle was at the Hillsborough disaster in 89 and my dad was there in 87 with Leeds when we narrowly avoided a disaster of our own due to the same problems so it's always been something that's been part of my life from a young age.

Disgusting that it's taken 27 years

 

[ColchesterFC]

I echo (nearly) all the sentiments expressed so far. Hopefully this will bring the families some closure (if that is even the right word in this situation) and those responsible will be held to account.

I don't want to take the thread off track so would any of the Liverpool fans mind answering a question if I was to PM it to them?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

To the families who have suffered and fought for this day and those family members who went to their graves fighting for the truth.
Let it sink in, let us rejoice, there'll be plenty of fighting and possible disappointments ahead, but today of all todays please remember the innocent 96.

I think this is spot on. It's a time to rejoice that justice has been done. Whatever actions may or may not follow are for another day

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Firstly I should make a confession.

For years, thanks to the media campaign at the time and one or two incidents I had witnessed, I could not stop myself wondering if the fans outside the ground might have, in some way, contributed towards causing this tragedy.

Today I have, perhaps belatedly, read the reports and evidence and, to put it mildly, I am both shocked and disgusted to discover the lengths the authorities went to in order to conceal the truth.

I watch TV programmes such as "Line of Duty" and, until now, have dismissed them as far fetched but now I find my faith in our system being severely tested.

To the authorities I say take every measure necessary to ensure that nothing like this cover up can ever happen again.

To the survivors and all Liverpool fans I say sorry for having harboured any doubts.

To the families and friends of the victims I hope that today's verdict finally brings you some solace and peace.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I echo (nearly) all the sentiments expressed so far. Hopefully this will bring the families some closure (if that is even the right word in this situation) and those responsible will be held to account.

I don't want to take the thread off track so would any of the Liverpool fans mind answering a question if I was to PM it to them?

If I can.

 

[ColchesterFC]

If I can.

Cheers Stu. Have had a PM from LP so will wait for his response.

 

[FairwayDodger]

It took two years for the inquest to go through all the evidence, present it to a jury and for them to evaluate it and deliver their verdict and responses to the questions.

What makes someone who hasn't devoted that level of attention to the facts think their opinion is somehow more valid than that delivered by the jury?

The questions are answered, the fans are vindicated, the authorities are implicated and surely charges will follow.

 

[Fish]

Cheers Stu. Have had a PM from LP so will wait for his response.

I'd stick with Stu & Peter, they go to actual matches!

 

[peterlav]

Disgusting it has taken so long for the truth to come out.
The lengths that the authorities took to blame innocent supporters, to exonerate themselves is truly sickening
Today is a good day

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Firstly I should make a confession.

For years, thanks to the media campaign at the time and one or two incidents I had witnessed, I could not stop myself wondering if the fans outside the ground might have, in some way, contributed towards causing this tragedy.

Today I have, perhaps belatedly, read the reports and evidence and, to put it mildly, I am both shocked and disgusted to discover the lengths the authorities went to in order to conceal the truth.

I watch TV programmes such as "Line of Duty" and, until now, have dismissed them as far fetched but now I find my faith in our system being severely tested.

To the authorities I say take every measure necessary to ensure that nothing like this cover up can ever happen again.

To the survivors and all Liverpool fans I say sorry for having harboured any doubts.

To the families and friends of the victims I hope that today's verdict finally brings you some solace and peace.

MM, full respect to you for at least educating yourself to form an opinion on the subject as opposed to believing what was printed in the paper.

Unfortunately the establishment chose to protect themselves over the public but they picked on the wrong city. We knew the truth but the Police, Tory government along with Murdoch and his cronies decided to spread the lies to protect themselves and for 23 years they were relatively successful. It was all our fault.

Today's verdicts were all based on cold hard facts.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I'd stick with Stu & Peter, they go to actual matches!

You're better than this fishy.

 

[Fish]

You're better than this fishy.

It's a factual comment, if he's looking for an informed opinion, then people living in and amongst it all and who go to matches will be better equipped, it means nothing more or less than that, it's an honest opinion and observation.

 

[Beezerk]

So where is your information from, or do you just think it from years of mi-informed opinion, normally put out there by the police.

Police who changed over 200 statements, bullying their own officers, and suggesting changes of wording.

Without you looking it up, how many people do you think got in without tickets? Again, even if it happened doesn’t this happen at hundreds of footy matches every year?

Did you know that the leppings land wasn’t full to capacity at the time?

Why didn’t the police have a cordon 300 yards from the turnstiles, like they did at the previous years semi-final between the same two clubs, which also allowed them to filter fans arrival at the bottleneck of turnstiles that Leppings lane is.

There was a major traffic accident on the day, massively delaying fans. Why did forest fans have over 60 turnstiles, whilst we had only 23, and a further 12 were not available on the day.

Why did the ground not have a proper safety certifictae. I could go on.

All free and easy to read, a bit different to how you "think".

Thanks for that mate, I knew some of those facts but not all of them, certainly shows things in another light.
Being a Wednesdayite I know it hit the club, the fans and the local people hard, it was eerie being in the stadium after it happened and sometimes an uncomfortable place to be. For a long time afterwards a lot of opinions were given out at the games, without knowing the full facts like we do today it was hard to really understand exactly what happened that day.
Hopefully we'll get in the Premiership via the playoffs this year, it will be quite an emotional event when Liverpool next visit.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

So glad justice is finally being given to those lost and left behind.
I have nothing but admiration for those thats have carried the fight for this, with such dignity and restraint in the face of such horrendous lies and falsehoods.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I echo (nearly) all the sentiments expressed so far. Hopefully this will bring the families some closure (if that is even the right word in this situation) and those responsible will be held to account.

I don't want to take the thread off track so would any of the Liverpool fans mind answering a question if I was to PM it to them?

I'm away on my way up to Scotland tomorrow, but fire away.:thup:

 

[Liverbirdie]

I think the biggest thing for those still arguing the fact is that, irrespective of who you still blame for the events occurring. It had been proven that the cover up was real. And for that at least, all those responsible deserve to be dealt with.
im not sure what punishments they can face. As has been mentioned previously. I don't think the acts that unfolded during the tragedy were done so with malice. But, the events after clearly were with self preservation in mind. And that's what, ironically has caused them to be caught and probably dealt with more severely in time.

Absolute class from Everton FC again today, Paul.

Woouldn't have been as easy without the Blues help. Unique city we live in, mate.:thup:

 

[ColchesterFC]

I'm away on my way up to Scotland tomorrow, but fire away.:thup:

Cheers, have now had answers from LP and Stu.

Don't forget to pack your waterproofs and your thermals. I've been in Aberdeen harbour for the last two days and it's been miserable here. Alternating between hail and snow with strong winds. Has changed a bit this evening though as it's now only raining.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Thanks for that mate, I knew some of those facts but not all of them, certainly shows things in another light.
Being a Wednesdayite I know it hit the club, the fans and the local people hard, it was eerie being in the stadium after it happened and sometimes an uncomfortable place to be. For a long time afterwards a lot of opinions were given out at the games, without knowing the full facts like we do today it was hard to really understand exactly what happened that day.
Hopefully we'll get in the Premiership via the playoffs this year, it will be quite an emotional event when Liverpool next visit.

One thing Liverpool fans dont blame is the people and city of Sheffield.

As I'd been to Heysel, my mam didnt know me and my dad were ok until the very next day when we called home, so I learned a lesson from this.

There was a shop on the corner by Leppings lane that let us in their back room to phone home, as they kept on doing to others. many other Sheffield people did this.

Sheffield Wednesday FC and Sheffield council were culpable with regards to the ground's safety certificate being out of date, crash barriers being substandard, and despite warnings in previous semi-finals (ones involving Leeds, Spurs, Man U where crushing had also happened), but no criticism for the people of Sheffield.

This should be above tribal football rivalries, as should Munich, Ibrox, Burnden park and Bradford but some people cant help doing it and smear people due to it. A long time ago (but not soon enough) I realised that Mancs and Scousers had more in common than what made us different.

For any Man U on here (or good football fan) , here is a cracking read from 2012, just before another inquest , from a Man U fan:-

http://www.afinelung.com/?p=4815

Maybe some people could learn a lot from this.

Finally, on the day, some Liverpool fans had a bevvy, and some acted anti-socially, some didnt have tickets, some probably peed in back entries, and stole some mars bars at the services.

Up the length and breadth of the country, it was going on every week by lots of football fans. Dont mix that up with "charging the gates", urinating on police, picking the pockets of their fellow dead fans - all this was levelled against us, and it all wasnt true.

 

[Jensen]

One thing Liverpool fans dont blame is the people and city of Sheffield.

As I'd been to Heysel, my mam didnt know me and my dad were ok until the very next day when we called home, so I learned a lesson from this.

There was a shop on the corner by Leppings lane that let us in their back room to phone home, as they kept on doing to others. many other Sheffield people did this.

Sheffield Wednesday FC and Sheffield council were culpable with regards to the ground's safety certificate being out of date, crash barriers being substandard, and despite warnings in previous semi-finals (ones involving Leeds, Spurs, Man U where crushing had also happened), but no criticism for the people of Sheffield.

This should be above tribal football rivalries, as should Munich, Ibrox, Burnden park and Bradford but some people cant help doing it and smear people due to it. A long time ago (but not soon enough) I realised that Mancs and Scousers had more in common than what made us different.

For any Man U on here (or good football fan) , here is a cracking read from 2012, just before another inquest , from a Man U fan:-

http://www.afinelung.com/?p=4815

Maybe some people could learn a lot from this.

Finally, on the day, some Liverpool fans had a bevvy, and some acted anti-socially, some didnt have tickets, some probably peed in back entries, and stole some mars bars at the services.

Up the length and breadth of the country, it was going on every week by lots of football fans. Dont mix that up with "charging the gates", urinating on police, picking the pockets of their fellow dead fans - all this was levelled against us, and it all wasnt true.

That's a fair and balanced post

 

[Hacker Khan]

Interesting, and probably not that surprising, to see which papers have and have not lead with the story today. Thought The Metro's front page was a nice touch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-36147007