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Imagine being given the opportunity to rediscover a lost Harry S Colt golf course? Your very own golfing Antique Roadshow moment. A 90-year-old beauty with 14 of the original 18 holes still in play because it has been neglected by its current owners for decades. Rough and ready around the edges, but still being played every day despite a lack of investment and attention. A golf course that featured a unique island tee box never seen anywhere else in the world in Colt’s over 320 designs. Only two other Harry S Colt designs are still in play as municipal facilities in the UK. All the others are in private hands and treated with the love and care they deserve.

A course sitting within a World Heritage Site and protected from building development by that status. A course developed by Colt to complement the houses that were built around it, each adding value to the other. A perfect example of the “Country Club“ concept that started in St George’s Hill in 1913, later copied at Wentworth and Effingham, and seen in Allestree, Derby in 1930. Imagine the ability to talk about that course, consulting with some of the greatest living golf course architects, and confirming unequivocally its provenance, history and heritage. Imagine being able to influence the Harry Colt project adding value to its wonderful archive of Colt related material. www.harrycoltproject.com

A course so famous in its day, known as the Derbyshire Golf Club at Allestree, that its history was chronicled on the front pages of now defunct newspapers. Postcards and aerial photographs were taken in 1936! So special that it resulted in a formal application for the golf course to be recorded by Historic England as a Designated Historic Landscape. We await the news if this is to be known as the first golf course in the UK with such a designation.

This aerial photograph of the famous lake holes is being used on paid licence as it comes from the archive owned by Derby City Council. That’s not a misprint. We have had to pay to use this picture as it comes from Derby City Council’s own archive. Yet no mention of the course history in any of the advertising. Why?

Exciting? A once in a lifetime opportunity? Why am I so devastated today then? I am being forced to watch this course die a slow death having received no attention from its owners since before Christmas.

WHY? Golf in England is about to come out of lockdown on March 29th and demand has never been greater. Local private courses are fully subscribed and are rightly limiting visitor access to benefit paid members. None of these venues could be viewed as affordable in comparison to Allestree Park. I wrote an article about the course, revealing its history in November 2020. https://www.golfshake.com/news/view/15738/Hidden_in_Plain_Sight_Uncovering_a_Golf_Treasure.html Visitor numbers in December, despite appalling weather, rose by 300%. Municipal golf in Scotland has continued and recorded a 260% increase in business over the last four months. This golf course sits untouched and abandoned. Staff are being paid to ensure no one plays golf on it and this is likely to continue after 29th March 2021. Why?

The Council are claiming a cost saving of £69,000 in a recently announced budget. This is wrong as they have committed to pay £32,000 to maintain the course as an absorbed parkland. Throwing away of all this for a saving of £37,000 AND losing the chance to actually generate income from a Council resource that is about to experience increased demand is commercially unjustifiable. Why?

The owners of this gem of a course, Derby City Council, (DCC) decided that they wished to sell Allestree Hall and golf course because the Hall is on the “At Risk” register and is a grade 2* listed building. They advertised the Hall for sale through a glossy internet brochure with a single line stating, “Option available to operate adjoining Golf Course.” No mention of its designer or history, failing to detail 18 years of its initial life. No advertising to golf related developers. Why?

One positive from its neglect is the fact that 14 of the original 18 holes are exactly as Colt designed them over 90 years ago. The other 4 still exist but would need some investment to reinstate. Imagine an 18 hole gem exactly as designed by Harry S Colt untouched in 90 years.What is it worth? Nobody knows, but still the Council are intent on destroying it.Once it is gone, it’s gone forever.

Allestree Park Golf Club attached to the course has been decimated through years of neglect. They leased rooms in the clubhouse, providing their own heating as the Council owners failed to repair failed heating systems or repair structural leaks. Mould caused by leaks rendered the food preparation areas unhygienic. Members moved elsewhere and the club is now fading into oblivion.

A public consultation secured 75% support for the course to be retained. It was ignored, and a sale process started with four bidders emerging who wished to take over the running of the course. All were rejected by DCC. Once my story broke golf industry interest added at least another three interested bidders. Those approaches were also rejected. They have the staff and equipment to run the course and generate income but the Councill has refused. Why?

Petitions to save the course have attracted almost 26,000 signatures and has been dealt with by the Council with a terse written response of 468 words, most of which simply criticised the wording of the petition. This matter has never been debated in the Council as delegated authority was generated to a handful of officers who have driven this closure process. Post pandemic we are in a different world, surely a flexible approach would suit all parties allowing income generation and assessment. Why not?

DCC have decided to decommission the course, abandon it, and incorporate it into the existing parkland. A recent freedom of Information request revealing that this will cost £32,000 per year to accomplish. It is already surrounded by Derbyshire largest Local Nature Reserves and one of City's largest parks so no one loses any amenity by keeping the golf course. For 90 years the park and the golf course have existed next to each other. Why could this not continue?

The golf industry is rightly promoting its health and well-being benefits. It can be played by all ages and genders, but it needs accessible and affordable entry points into the game. Allestree is a perfect venue for such use, and it is being allowed to die a slow death because it has become a political football.We have created a website www.saveallestreegolfcourse.co.uk that details our concerns regarding this process as we cannot get any engagement from the Council. Check out our YouTube videos. If you need to assess the loss to the community of this facility check out the one produced by Golf Mates taken on the last day of play.

We even have candidates ready to stand as independent Councillors in the forthcoming local elections on this issue. If you want to know more about the history of this venue and its plight please visit the site and let us know your thoughts and ideas. contact@saveallestreegolfcourse.co.uk Hole 10 11 aerial view.jpeg
 

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Yes, I feel for you. The loss of Municiple Courses is sad especially as we've seen, in these difficult times, such a growth in the numbers playing golf & how easily the game adapts to these circumstances. Good luck in your battle.
 

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Isn't there a Colt Association dedicated to Harry Colt's courses? Some of the golf club architecture websites would be good sources of help. Some people would compare this to the discovery of a lost van Gogh.

The trend I've seen is councils abandoning courses built on farmland / parkland in the 80s. They were never good sites so intrinsically unable to compete with better courses. In this case you are showing us a much more impressive location. Is the site free draining? Ultimately it sounds like a significant restoration project is needed to make the course viable, the council will not have the vision or the funds to contemplate this.

Good luck!
 

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It is sad, but the 94% of the population who don't play golf probably don't think their council tax and business rates should be used to prop up an enterprise that the 6% who do play have chosen to ignore in favour of Derbyshire's other 37 golf courses.
At least they aren't planning to build on it, I guess. As long as it's parkland then everyone gets to use it for leisure.
I'm not unsympathetic, just realistic.
 

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Isn't there a Colt Association dedicated to Harry Colt's courses? Some of the golf club architecture websites would be good sources of help. Some people would compare this to the discovery of a lost van Gogh.

The trend I've seen is councils abandoning courses built on farmland / parkland in the 80s. They were never good sites so intrinsically unable to compete with better courses. In this case you are showing us a much more impressive location. Is the site free draining? Ultimately it sounds like a significant restoration project is needed to make the course viable, the council will not have the vision or the funds to contemplate this.

Good luck!
excellent draining site. We are being supported by www.harrycoltproject.com
 

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It is sad, but the 94% of the population who don't play golf probably don't think their council tax and business rates should be used to prop up an enterprise that the 6% who do play have chosen to ignore in favour of Derbyshire's other 37 golf courses.
At least they aren't planning to build on it, I guess. As long as it's parkland then everyone gets to use it for leisure.
I'm not unsympathetic, just realistic.
Did you read the OP? He states that there are 7 buyers interested in it, but they have been back healed by the council. A sale generates money and reduces the £32,000 cost to the council to £0 which to me seems like a no brainer.
 

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Imagine being given the opportunity to rediscover a lost Harry S Colt golf course? Your very own golfing Antique Roadshow moment. A 90-year-old beauty with 14 of the original 18 holes still in play because it has been neglected by its current owners for decades. Rough and ready around the edges, but still being played every day despite a lack of investment and attention. A golf course that featured a unique island tee box never seen anywhere else in the world in Colt’s over 320 designs. Only two other Harry S Colt designs are still in play as municipal facilities in the UK. All the others are in private hands and treated with the love and care they deserve.

A course sitting within a World Heritage Site and protected from building development by that status. A course developed by Colt to complement the houses that were built around it, each adding value to the other. A perfect example of the “Country Club“ concept that started in St George’s Hill in 1913, later copied at Wentworth and Effingham, and seen in Allestree, Derby in 1930. Imagine the ability to talk about that course, consulting with some of the greatest living golf course architects, and confirming unequivocally its provenance, history and heritage. Imagine being able to influence the Harry Colt project adding value to its wonderful archive of Colt related material. www.harrycoltproject.com

A course so famous in its day, known as the Derbyshire Golf Club at Allestree, that its history was chronicled on the front pages of now defunct newspapers. Postcards and aerial photographs were taken in 1936! So special that it resulted in a formal application for the golf course to be recorded by Historic England as a Designated Historic Landscape. We await the news if this is to be known as the first golf course in the UK with such a designation.

This aerial photograph of the famous lake holes is being used on paid licence as it comes from the archive owned by Derby City Council. That’s not a misprint. We have had to pay to use this picture as it comes from Derby City Council’s own archive. Yet no mention of the course history in any of the advertising. Why?

Exciting? A once in a lifetime opportunity? Why am I so devastated today then? I am being forced to watch this course die a slow death having received no attention from its owners since before Christmas.

WHY? Golf in England is about to come out of lockdown on March 29th and demand has never been greater. Local private courses are fully subscribed and are rightly limiting visitor access to benefit paid members. None of these venues could be viewed as affordable in comparison to Allestree Park. I wrote an article about the course, revealing its history in November 2020. https://www.golfshake.com/news/view/15738/Hidden_in_Plain_Sight_Uncovering_a_Golf_Treasure.html Visitor numbers in December, despite appalling weather, rose by 300%. Municipal golf in Scotland has continued and recorded a 260% increase in business over the last four months. This golf course sits untouched and abandoned. Staff are being paid to ensure no one plays golf on it and this is likely to continue after 29th March 2021. Why?

The Council are claiming a cost saving of £69,000 in a recently announced budget. This is wrong as they have committed to pay £32,000 to maintain the course as an absorbed parkland. Throwing away of all this for a saving of £37,000 AND losing the chance to actually generate income from a Council resource that is about to experience increased demand is commercially unjustifiable. Why?

The owners of this gem of a course, Derby City Council, (DCC) decided that they wished to sell Allestree Hall and golf course because the Hall is on the “At Risk” register and is a grade 2* listed building. They advertised the Hall for sale through a glossy internet brochure with a single line stating, “Option available to operate adjoining Golf Course.” No mention of its designer or history, failing to detail 18 years of its initial life. No advertising to golf related developers. Why?

One positive from its neglect is the fact that 14 of the original 18 holes are exactly as Colt designed them over 90 years ago. The other 4 still exist but would need some investment to reinstate. Imagine an 18 hole gem exactly as designed by Harry S Colt untouched in 90 years.What is it worth? Nobody knows, but still the Council are intent on destroying it.Once it is gone, it’s gone forever.

Allestree Park Golf Club attached to the course has been decimated through years of neglect. They leased rooms in the clubhouse, providing their own heating as the Council owners failed to repair failed heating systems or repair structural leaks. Mould caused by leaks rendered the food preparation areas unhygienic. Members moved elsewhere and the club is now fading into oblivion.

A public consultation secured 75% support for the course to be retained. It was ignored, and a sale process started with four bidders emerging who wished to take over the running of the course. All were rejected by DCC. Once my story broke golf industry interest added at least another three interested bidders. Those approaches were also rejected. They have the staff and equipment to run the course and generate income but the Councill has refused. Why?

Petitions to save the course have attracted almost 26,000 signatures and has been dealt with by the Council with a terse written response of 468 words, most of which simply criticised the wording of the petition. This matter has never been debated in the Council as delegated authority was generated to a handful of officers who have driven this closure process. Post pandemic we are in a different world, surely a flexible approach would suit all parties allowing income generation and assessment. Why not?

DCC have decided to decommission the course, abandon it, and incorporate it into the existing parkland. A recent freedom of Information request revealing that this will cost £32,000 per year to accomplish. It is already surrounded by Derbyshire largest Local Nature Reserves and one of City's largest parks so no one loses any amenity by keeping the golf course. For 90 years the park and the golf course have existed next to each other. Why could this not continue?

The golf industry is rightly promoting its health and well-being benefits. It can be played by all ages and genders, but it needs accessible and affordable entry points into the game. Allestree is a perfect venue for such use, and it is being allowed to die a slow death because it has become a political football.We have created a website www.saveallestreegolfcourse.co.uk that details our concerns regarding this process as we cannot get any engagement from the Council. Check out our YouTube videos. If you need to assess the loss to the community of this facility check out the one produced by Golf Mates taken on the last day of play.

We even have candidates ready to stand as independent Councillors in the forthcoming local elections on this issue. If you want to know more about the history of this venue and its plight please visit the site and let us know your thoughts and ideas. contact@saveallestreegolfcourse.co.ukView attachment 35496
There are a lot of "Why's" in there. Do you really have no idea at all about what is behind this?
 

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Did you read the OP? He states that there are 7 buyers interested in it, but they have been back healed by the council. A sale generates money and reduces the £32,000 cost to the council to £0 which to me seems like a no brainer.
Yep. Read it. Also googled it to see if there was more to it.
The council are in the process of selling the clubhouse, which is a grade II listed 200 year old country house, to a company that intends to restore it and turn it into a wedding venue. They don't want the golf course, which the council intends to decommission and add to the surrounding country park - free to use for all.
I would assume that the council employs people who understand money and know what they're doing. The same guys are probably responsible for finding the funds for social care and libraries.
Like I said, I'm sympathetic, but a realist.
 

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Yep. Read it. Also googled it to see if there was more to it.
The council are in the process of selling the clubhouse, which is a grade II listed 200 year old country house, to a company that intends to restore it and turn it into a wedding venue. They don't want the golf course, which the council intends to decommission and add to the surrounding country park - free to use for all.
I would assume that the council employs people who understand money and know what they're doing. The same guys are probably responsible for finding the funds for social care and libraries.
Like I said, I'm sympathetic, but a realist.
Yep. Read it. Also googled it to see if there was more to it.
The council are in the process of selling the clubhouse, which is a grade II listed 200 year old country house, to a company that intends to restore it and turn it into a wedding venue. They don't want the golf course, which the council intends to decommission and add to the surrounding country park - free to use for all.
I would assume that the council employs people who understand money and know what they're doing. The same guys are probably responsible for finding the funds for social care and libraries.
Like I said, I'm sympathetic, but a realist.
If only the people involved in this process knew the business. 2019 the average price per round was £7.34. Zero maintenance on the course or the clubhouse. They are abandoning the golf course to add to a local nature reserve that is already the largest in Derbyshire. 48,000 golfers now with nowhere accessible and affordable to play at the time of greatest demand. They offer the Hall for sale but fail to include 18 years of the history of the course including its Colt provenance. Value of course alone in 2014 £539,000. Now add the Colt factor. Despite the fact that this is a community resource they are still determined to destroy it without having taken the time to even understand its current commercial value or worth. Yes there are a lot of Whys as no one observing this can understand there rationale behind the decision. Breaks our heart to see the course simply dying daily through lack of attention. There has been no promotion or marketing of the venue. I gave it some adverse publicity in December 2020 and the next months green fee's increased by 300% on the previous year. It is a criminally bad decision that helps no one and disadvantages many. The course has co existed with the park and Local Nature Reserve for 90 years. These 48,000 golfers have PAID fee's top the Council for the privilege of playing but they prefer to spend £32K a year to keep it as wasteland. A public consultation ran by them had 75% of there respondents wanting to keep the course in play. Ignored. Petition of 25,700 ignored. Questions in Cabinet meetings fobbed off. Lots of why's because no one will actually answer any questions that's why we have created our own website and are asking the questions publicly. There is a local election on 6th May 2021 and we are briefing all the candidates on the issues via the website.
 
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Lovely course. I played there for a couple of years as a kid.
In fact most golfers in Derby have played there at some point in the lives, including most of the pros.
 
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Yep. Read it. Also googled it to see if there was more to it.
The council are in the process of selling the clubhouse, which is a grade II listed 200 year old country house, to a company that intends to restore it and turn it into a wedding venue. They don't want the golf course, which the council intends to decommission and add to the surrounding country park - free to use for all.
I would assume that the council employs people who understand money and know what they're doing. The same guys are probably responsible for finding the funds for social care and libraries.
Like I said, I'm sympathetic, but a realist.
Derby’s council aren’t known for being financially able
 

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There are a lot of "Why's" in there. Do you really have no idea at all about what is behind this?
Difficult to post in public without defaming those involved. Check out the website www.saveallestreegolfcourse.co.uk for the latest information. we are even looking at having candidates in the forthcoming local election to get this issue the public debate it craves and deserves. nearly 26,000 signatures on a petition and a 468 written response is all we have had from those involved in the decisions to date.Beggars Belief.
 

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Lovely course. I played there for a couple of years as a kid.
In fact most golfers in Derby have played there at some point in the lives, including most of the pros.
There are 16 current members of the PGA Professional ranks who started as juniors at Allestree Park. Oh and one of the first junior members went onto become a Ryder Cup player winning points partnered with John Jacobs in the USA and then he was a non playing Captain taking on Arnold Palmer at East Lake in 1963. It also had a lady professional from 1932 to 1935, despite her application to join the PGA in 1929 being rejected. Women were not allowed to join until 1965. THIS PLACE IS SPECIAL and its owners are destroying it in front of our faces.
 
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There are 16 current members of the PGA Professional ranks who started as juniors at Allestree Park. Oh and one of the first junior members went onto become a Ryder Cup player winning points partnered with John Jacobs in the USA and then he was a non playing Captain taking on Arnold Palmer at East Lake in 1963. It also had a lady professional from 1932 to 1935, despite her application to join the PGA in 1929 being rejected. Women were not allowed to join until 1965. THIS PLACE IS SPECIAL and its owners are destroying it in front of our faces.
Yes, I know a few
 
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