Has Suarez done it again?

[Deleted member 18121]

So the fact he has been banned 3 times for the same thing is of no consequence?

Sorry Gareth - I think we're at potentially crossed wires, yes of course him biting 3 times should be considered I was referring to your comment that because Keane didn't end halands career 3 times or ben thatcher didn't elbow mendez 3 times that its a lesser crime. In my eyes its not - they both could have been banned for life for those assaults.

 

[One Planer]

Sorry Gareth - I think we're at potentially crossed wires, yes of course him biting 3 times should be considered I was referring to your comment that because Keane didn't end halands career 3 times or ben thatcher didn't elbow mendez 3 times that its a lesser crime. In my eyes its not - they both could have been banned for life for those assaults.

The question is where to draw the line with life bans? How do you prove intent? What makes one tackle worse than another? You vary rarely see the same player go in like Thatcher or Keane on regular basis.

With Suarez, he has been banned twice previously for the exact same thing. Then he does it again! Since 2010 (Excluding his current ban) he has been banned for 17 matches for biting.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

The question is where to draw the line with life bans? How do you prove intent? What makes one tackle worse than another? You vary rarely see the same player go in like Thatcher or Keane on regular basis.

With Suarez, he has been banned twice previously for the exact same thing. Then he does it again! Since 2010 (Excluding his current ban) he has been banned for 17 matches for biting.

Couldn't agree more and that's why this is an emotional subject - you've got a lot of people saying ban him for life, the guy he bit saying that his punishment is a bit harsh.....its subjective. I just think that if situations like this playing at international level can then affect all areas of football then the precedent should be set that an individual can get banned across all football for worth offences.

e.g. should it then be right that if someone gets a red card in a carling cup match then they should miss champions league games or miss out on playing international games

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I didn't say I didn't agree with the punishment.....just wanted to add some perspective on the crime vs what else goes on on the pitch. My point being that it seems that the whole football world has gone into meltdown over a bite in comparison to other incidents.

They aren't the same though, most of the other incidents are football related, a late tackle isn't necessarily malicious, it's just late, an elbow in the face isn't necessarily intended, it is often just a result of someone battling for the ball. I'm not saying there hasn't been cases where there has been intent but most often these incidents are just accidents that happen during the course of play.

A bite however has no foundations in football, you can't say something like "I went for the header but accidentally sunk my teeth into his arm". Biting just doesn't happen accidentally on a football pitch, there is no basis for it and no doubt as to whether it is a malicious act. Once would be stupid, I don't know what 3 times is.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Couldn't agree more and that's why this is an emotional subject - you've got a lot of people saying ban him for life, the guy he bit saying that his punishment is a bit harsh.....its subjective. I just think that if situations like this playing at international level can then affect all areas of football then the precedent should be set that an individual can get banned across all football for worth offences.

e.g. should it then be right that if someone gets a red card in a carling cup match then they should miss champions league games or miss out on playing international games

On that point, my own opinion is that all bans should apply to all matches. It has never really made sense to me that someone could play in a champions league game (for example) while banned from the Premiership. Bans should be for periods of time (not number of matches) and encompass all football, including internationals.

 

[One Planer]

On that point, my own opinion is that all bans should apply to all matches. It has never really made sense to me that someone could play in a champions league game (for example) while banned from the Premiership. Bans should be for periods of time (not number of matches) and encompass all football, including internationals.

Pretty much what I said earlier in the thread :thup:

 

[Deleted member 18121]

They aren't the same though, most of the other incidents are football related, a late tackle isn't necessarily malicious, it's just late, an elbow in the face isn't necessarily intended, it is often just a result of someone battling for the ball. I'm not saying there hasn't been cases where there has been intent but most often these incidents are just accidents that happen during the course of play.

A bite however has no foundations in football, you can't say something like "I went for the header but accidentally sunk my teeth into his arm". Biting just doesn't happen accidentally on a football pitch, there is no basis for it and no doubt as to whether it is a malicious act. Once would be stupid, I don't know what 3 times is.

As I said, its subjective....I just want to see some consistency and punishment to fit the crime. Unfortunately as you just alluded to....some things are just deemed part of football and are swept under the carpet. maybe they shouldn't be.

 

[Beezerk]

I'd take a split lip from an elbow in the face before a bite every day of the week.

Really?
You've obviously never had your eye socket swell up like Elephant Man from a twit with a stray elbow before.
Either that or you have a face made of titanium

 

[Hobbit]

Really?
You've obviously never had your eye socket swell up like Elephant Man from a twit with a stray elbow before.
Either that or you have a face made of titanium

I know you might think I'm way too cuddly for sports but I was young once. I played football & rugby to a very decent level, and well into my 30's. A fractured skull twice + a broken neck, and every thing down from that, including stitches from when someone sunk their teeth into the back of my head - accidently, as he was a team mate.

I didn't get this ugly playing tiddlywinks

 

[FairwayDodger]

someone sunk their teeth into the back of my head - accidently, as he was a team mate.

I thought the consensus was that you can't bite someone accidentally..... had you done something to upset him?

 

[standrew]

It wouldnt surprise me if Chiallini took a few quid to come out in defense of Suarez.

 

[Pin-seeker]

It wouldnt surprise me if Chiallini took a few quid to come out in defense of Suarez.

I really don't think it matters what Chiallini says now. It's clear for all to see what Suarez did.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As I said, its subjective....I just want to see some consistency and punishment to fit the crime. Unfortunately as you just alluded to....some things are just deemed part of football and are swept under the carpet. maybe they shouldn't be.

...and I would also repeat that given the nature of the incident and that he has been found guilty of it twice before - this suggests to me that in some ways it could be the opposite of the premeditated malicious act most seem to declare that it is. T|o me it is his expression of 'lashing out without thinking'. It's not how 99.99% of us would act - but we all do things in the heat of the moment we are not proud of - and we often repeat these mistakes.

And I also am not excusing it - I am just looking for perspective and maybe a little understanding and sympathy for the guy. I know I won't find much of the latter about - but with some perspective and understanding there may be can be some out there.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I've not been on since FIFA have dished out their ban.

On the ban itself i think the length of the ban is fair but i don't agree with it including domestic football.

My understanding of the ban also stops him from training and entering a stadium which is a bit dramatic.

I'd be surprised if they can actually stop him from "going to work".

Either way he's got to deal with it and get on but i do hope he is given medical help because he definitely needs it.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Rather disappointed in Cheiallini coming out now and saying it's all too severe. That wasn't what he was saying at the time and you have to wonder why he's changed his tune to such a degree

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Rather disappointed in Cheiallini coming out now and saying it's all too severe. That wasn't what he was saying at the time and you have to wonder why he's changed his tune to such a degree

He's a footballer....win at all costs (as is Suarez). I think most footballers would agree....what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch. At the time all he wanted was Luis sent off to gain an advantage in the game.

 

[Fish]

...and I would also repeat that given the nature of the incident and that he has been found guilty of it twice before - this suggests to me that in some ways it could be the opposite of the premeditated malicious act most seem to declare that it is. T|o me it is his expression of 'lashing out without thinking'. It's not how 99.99% of us would act - but we all do things in the heat of the moment we are not proud of - and we often repeat these mistakes.

And I also am not excusing it - I am just looking for perspective and maybe a little understanding and sympathy for the guy. I know I won't find much of the latter about - but with some perspective and understanding there may be can be some out there.

But there was no provocation at the time, they weren't competing for the ball, it wasn't following a tackle, nothing, which is why the ref couldn't see it, the play was elsewhere, he just bit him, so I don't accept any of what you say regarding 'lashing out', as that is a reactionary offence!

He's a wrong 'un, pure & simple.

 

[Fish]

At the time all he wanted was Luis sent off to gain an advantage in the game.

He (Cheiallini) didn't manufacture the situation, there is nobody else to blame in this fiasco other than Suarez, end of!

 

[Pin-seeker]

He's a footballer....win at all costs (as is Suarez). I think most footballers would agree....what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch. At the time all he wanted was Luis sent off to gain an advantage in the game.

Think you'll find that Chiallini said after the game that FIFA would do nothing. Now he seems to be saying they've done too much

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Think you'll find that Chiallini said after the game that FIFA would do nothing. Now he seems to be saying they've done too much

Professional Footballers aren't known for being very clever though.