Has Suarez done it again?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Here's a question. A player grabs hold of another with his hand very tightly and his nails dig deep into the player's skin, break the skin and cause bleeding. What is the difference between that and a bite. Is it just as bad as Suarez's bite - is it worse?

Just wondering about the basis or context of the 'total outrage' expressed by some surrounding this incident.

 

[Beezerk]

Here's a question. A player grabs hold of another with his hand very tightly and his nails dig deep into the player's skin, break the skin and cause bleeding. What is the difference between that and a bite. Is it just as bad as Suarez's bite - is it worse?

Just wondering about the basis or context of the 'total outrage' expressed by some surrounding this incident.

Was discussing with a lad at work, which is worse, an elbow to the face or a bite to the shoulder.
We both agreed we'd rather be bitten.

 

[CMAC]

only one happy person out of this.

The punter who put a bet on pre world cup that Suarez would bite someone.

He only got 125/1 which just shows the general probability felt by many.

 

[CMAC]

Here's a question. A player grabs hold of another with his hand very tightly and his nails dig deep into the player's skin, break the skin and cause bleeding. What is the difference between that and a bite. Is it just as bad as Suarez's bite - is it worse?

Just wondering about the basis or context of the 'total outrage' expressed by some surrounding this incident.

seriously?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

seriously?

Yes - I'm not saying one is worse than the other. If a bite that does not break the skin is worse than someone maliciously digging and breaking into my skin with his finger nails causing blood to flow - and when these nails could have been anywhere including in the player's mouth - I am interested why. There are clear cultural reasons I might hold that tells me biting is just not done. But that might just be me.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes - I'm not saying one is worse than the other. If a bite that does not break the skin is worse than someone maliciously digging and breaking into my skin with his finger nails causing blood to flow - and when these nails could have been anywhere including in the player's mouth - I am interested why. There are clear cultural reasons I might hold that tells me biting is just not done. But that might just be me.

If they were carried out with the intention of wounding then both are deplorable. The difference with 'biting' is that it is intended to wound, grabbing a wrists generally in not!

 

[Hobbit]

Here's a question. A player grabs hold of another with his hand very tightly and his nails dig deep into the player's skin, break the skin and cause bleeding. What is the difference between that and a bite. Is it just as bad as Suarez's bite - is it worse?

Just wondering about the basis or context of the 'total outrage' expressed by some surrounding this incident.

I posted up something a few pages back on infections from bites. Suggest you Google it for the detail. Simply put, bites carry a serious risk of infection.

I'd take a split lip from an elbow in the face before a bite every day of the week.

 

[chrisd]

To me, we are comparing apples and pears. An elbow in the face happens, its painful and can cause serious injury much more than a bite is likely to, and, could be premeditated, but, a bite is obviously 100% premeditated, is childish and naturally, like spitting, is an action that most of the world would see as one of the most unpleasant things one human being could do to another.

Like Hobbit, I'd take the elbow over the spit or bite any day!

 

[Hacker Khan]

To me, we are comparing apples and pears. An elbow in the face happens, its painful and can cause serious injury much more than a bite is likely to, and, could be premeditated, but, a bite is obviously 100% premeditated, is childish and naturally, like spitting, is an action that most of the world would see as one of the most unpleasant things one human being could do to another.

Like Hobbit, I'd take the elbow over the spit or bite any day!

Not sure why a bite is 100% premeditated? Why could it have not been a spur of the moment decision? What time span are we using to decide if it is premeditated or not? A second, 10 seconds, minute, hour? I'd say it is difficult to say it was definitely premeditated as to me that suggests it was 100% planned.

 

[Fish]

Not sure why a bite is 100% premeditated? Why could it have not been a spur of the moment decision? What time span are we using to decide if it is premeditated or not? A second, 10 seconds, minute, hour? I'd say it is difficult to say it was definitely premeditated as to me that suggests it was 100% planned.

I think its more premeditated due to the nature in which its delivered. A punch, elbow or head butt can be reactionary, I personally don't think a bite is, you have to be in more control and as such I think a bite carries more intent than the other scenarios.

 

[One Planer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28053513

First of many?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not sure why a bite is 100% premeditated? Why could it have not been a spur of the moment decision? What time span are we using to decide if it is premeditated or not? A second, 10 seconds, minute, hour? I'd say it is difficult to say it was definitely premeditated as to me that suggests it was 100% planned.

I would guess that what Suaraz does is not premeditated at all - he has a problem and one of his instinctive reactions in certain situations seems to be to bite (bizarre as that is). This is why I have a degree of sympathy with him - he has a problem - and it is not necessarily related to anger management. Much of the opprobrium heaped on him seems to be coming from a place that says he does this deliberately - I am not so sure it is that simple.

And in my comparative example I am not taking about grabbing another players wrist. I am thinking more about grabbing a handful of skin at another player's waist say - though most pros won't have much of a spare tyre. So something deliberate, painful and that could cause bleeding.

BTW - I am not excusing - just looking to see if there is room for understanding

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Was anyone else fortunate enough to hear what Gordon Strachan had to say on the subject on ITV before the game last night? He was talking about footballers and morals. I was so impressed with what he was saying that I actually shouted at my TV because finally someone put some perspective on the situation.

We're talking here about a guy that bit someone....... compare this if you will with instances such as when Roy Keane ended Halands career by a cold calculated act. Is this not worse than biting someone? Should he have been banned for life? What about the numerous stamps/elbows/headbutts that have all happened over the years, are these a lesser act that a bite? Is it ok that they had 3 match bans for a red card or indeed got away with it because the ref didn't see it?

In football you've had wife beaters, rapists, serial cheats........ Suarez bit someone.

Just to clarify - I don't agree with what Suarez did. I am not standing up for him. What he did is wrong, very wrong but I think a bit of level headed perspective is needed.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Was anyone else fortunate enough to hear what Gordon Strachan had to say on the subject on ITV before the game last night? He was talking about footballers and morals. I was so impressed with what he was saying that I actually shouted at my TV because finally someone put some perspective on the situation.

We're talking here about a guy that bit someone....... compare this if you will with instances such as when Roy Keane ended Halands career by a cold calculated act. Is this not worse than biting someone? Should he have been banned for life? What about the numerous stamps/elbows/headbutts that have all happened over the years, are these a lesser act that a bite? Is it ok that they had 3 match bans for a red card or indeed got away with it because the ref didn't see it?

In football you've had wife beaters, rapists, serial cheats........ Suarez bit someone.

Just to clarify - I don't agree with what Suarez did. I am not standing up for him. What he did is wrong, very wrong but I think a bit of level headed perspective is needed.

Saw this too and agree. Thought it was funny watching Adrian Chiles trying to ignore and move away from what Strachan had said

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Was anyone else fortunate enough to hear what Gordon Strachan had to say on the subject on ITV before the game last night? He was talking about footballers and morals. I was so impressed with what he was saying that I actually shouted at my TV because finally someone put some perspective on the situation.

We're talking here about a guy that bit someone....... compare this if you will with instances such as when Roy Keane ended Halands career by a cold calculated act. Is this not worse than biting someone? Should he have been banned for life? What about the numerous stamps/elbows/headbutts that have all happened over the years, are these a lesser act that a bite? Is it ok that they had 3 match bans for a red card or indeed got away with it because the ref didn't see it?

In football you've had wife beaters, rapists, serial cheats........ Suarez bit someone.

Just to clarify - I don't agree with what Suarez did. I am not standing up for him. What he did is wrong, very wrong but I think a bit of level headed perspective is needed.

You want perspective...

1st bite: 7 game ban (clearly made no difference)
2nd bite: 10 game ban (clearly made no difference)

What do you propose they should do after the 3rd one, given that the first 2 "punishments" seemingly achieved nothing?

 

[One Planer]

Was anyone else fortunate enough to hear what Gordon Strachan had to say on the subject on ITV before the game last night? He was talking about footballers and morals. I was so impressed with what he was saying that I actually shouted at my TV because finally someone put some perspective on the situation.

We're talking here about a guy that bit someone....... compare this if you will with instances such as when Roy Keane ended Halands career by a cold calculated act. Is this not worse than biting someone? Should he have been banned for life? What about the numerous stamps/elbows/headbutts that have all happened over the years, are these a lesser act that a bite? Is it ok that they had 3 match bans for a red card or indeed got away with it because the ref didn't see it?

In football you've had wife beaters, rapists, serial cheats........ Suarez bit someone.

Just to clarify - I don't agree with what Suarez did. I am not standing up for him. What he did is wrong, very wrong but I think a bit of level headed perspective is needed.

I also saw that, and on the whole agree, but with one exception.

This is his third incident of this nature!! Did Keane end Halands career 3 times? Did Di Canio push a ref over 3 times? Did Ben Thatcher knock Mendez out 3 times with an elbow? No, the incidents they were involved in were done once and, rightly, got what they deserved.

Suarez has been found guilty 3 times of the same transgression, in two different leagues across Europe, and now at international level.

So yes, let's have some perspective on this incident, but be sure to include all the previous indiscretions in that view.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

You want perspective...

1st bite: 7 game ban (clearly made no difference)
2nd bite: 10 game ban (clearly made no difference)

What do you propose they should do after the 3rd one, given that the first 2 "punishments" seemingly achieved nothing?

I didn't say I didn't agree with the punishment.....just wanted to add some perspective on the crime vs what else goes on on the pitch. My point being that it seems that the whole football world has gone into meltdown over a bite in comparison to other incidents.

 

[One Planer]

I didn't say I didn't agree with the punishment.....just wanted to add some perspective on the crime vs what else goes on on the pitch. My point being that it seems that the whole football world has gone into meltdown over a bite in comparison to other incidents.

See post #616 :thup:

 

[Deleted member 18121]

I also saw that, and on the whole agree, but with one exception.

This is his third incident of this nature!! Did Keane end Halands career 3 times? Did Di Canio push a ref over 3 times? Did Ben Thatcher knock Mendez out 3 times with an elbow? No, the incidents they were involved in were done once and, rightly, got what they deserved.

Suarez has been found guilty 3 times of the same transgression, in two different leagues across Europe, and now at international level.

So yes, let's have some perspective on this incident, but be sure to include all the previous indiscretions in that view.

The frequency has little weight in my mind - if the act was as bad as those you mention (particularly agree re ben thatcher) then the punishment should fit. The next time someone goes in 2 footed and causes injury am I expecting to see people say "if I did that at work then I'd be arrested/sacked".

 

[One Planer]

The frequency has little weight in my mind - if the act was as bad as those you mention (particularly agree re ben thatcher) then the punishment should fit. The next time someone goes in 2 footed and causes injury am I expecting to see people say "if I did that at work then I'd be arrested/sacked".

So the fact he has been banned 3 times for the same thing is of no consequence?