Foxholer
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Here's an article - from 2013 in the Grauniad - that espouses a similar view. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/19/north-sea-oil-80s-boom
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chrisd
Major Champion
I absolutely back this 100%, she was the only person who could stand up to the unions, who wanted to close the country down, and boy did she bring the Country forward, she sorted out the EU and made it possible for people to buy their own houses and tons more things - best PM that I've seen and lived and worked through
funkycoldmedina
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Don't forget she deregulated the banks which actually bankrupted country. I've never voted Labour but this argument they're fiscally inept compared to the Tories is bogus. One of the Tories great tricks was to lower interest rates in the lead up to an election and it didn't matter if the economy could take it or not. The fiscally irresponsible Labour party put an end to this by making it the responsibility of the BofE.don't forget flogged off all the countrys Nationalised Industries for bugger all to Dennis's mates in the city and sold all the council houses causing the housing shortage we have now.... but hay she cut tax
richart
Major Champion
Rubbish. Lloyd George, Churchill, Attlee ?
chrisd
Major Champion
Rubbish. Lloyd George, Churchill, Attlee ?
You tell me, you must be older than me Rich
richart
Major Champion
Only you could believe that Chris.You tell me, you must be older than me Rich
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
Lets get rid of the selfish party today, labour, Liberals, Plaid Cymru, SNP - anyone but the tories. The party never ever had much shame, but they have reached new levels.
Imagine the SNP ruling the rest of us, that would be a laugh.
Imagine the SNP ruling the rest of us, that would be a laugh.
drdel
Tour Rookie
Interesting. Perhaps if Labour win they will sort it...
D
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I don't want to derail the thread too much, but a lot about the "great" stuff about Sweden isn't that great. And looking at the prognosis for the coming years, it's not very good either as Sweden is set to have the lowest GDP growth out of all EU countries.
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spongebob59
Journeyman Pro
the abacus is spotted !
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
We should be looking at this election and voting for the best person (in our opinion) for the job, the one who stands out from the crowd.
Instead I have the feeling that we are being asked to vote for the least gammy leper in the colony.
What a dreadful indictment on this sorry bunch of chancers and shysters.
Instead I have the feeling that we are being asked to vote for the least gammy leper in the colony.
What a dreadful indictment on this sorry bunch of chancers and shysters.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
Interesting. Perhaps if Labour win they will sort it...
At least they are only 20 year-old arguments, how many divvies for for the Tory " If labour get in - well look at the unions in the 70's, 3 day week,the dead unburied....blah,blah,blah".
don't forget Dianne Abbott wearing odd shoes, just shows untrustworth Labour are
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
the banking industry is a massive earner for this country, helping offset out trade deficit, raking in billions a year that help towards the NHS etc. And, if you want blame, there was 12 years of Labour government before the banking collapse and Gordon Brown who bailed them out - which was the correct thing tpo do as the crisis could have completely spiralled out of control. If Labour wanted to tighten policies for the banks they could have. Independance is for the BOE is to be fully supported.
PNWokingham
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i only mentioned Sweden to highlight the strong macro borrowing rules which are respected by both sides
drdel
Tour Rookie
funkycoldmedina
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They could have and should have. Again, I've never voted Labour but this finger pointing in their direction when the mess emanated from a Tory policy is really poor. It's the same with Brexit this mess has been Tory a thing in the making for decades but somehow through a right wing media it seems to be planted on people like Corbyn. The financial crash and the Brexit debacle were both of Tory making and yet somehow in both scenarios they've been painted as the white knights who can save the day.
D
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Goodness me, how long were labour in for and how long do you blame the previous government for afterwards.
They(labour) could have changed it at any stage and change credit requirements or money printing requirements by authorised banks, but no they didn't. They are both guilty.I would suggest reading about the true reasons for the financial crash, the credit bubble has being going on for about 60 years and it is still growing alarmingly, now on personal and government debt. This has lead to assets prices are crazy high (one example being property, another being stocks, another being government debt. You can argue supply/demand but available credit controls that, credit/loans controls growth as well)... That is the real problem and the day of reckoning still has to be answered, they are kicking it down the road by slashing interest rates. What they do when eventually it goes again, is the interesting bit massive QE, debt holiday, whos knows.
I do find all the Tories bad, labour good or Tories good, labour bad, very funny.
TBF though the Torys even blame labour for the things they didGoodness me, how long were labour in for and how long do you blame the previous government for afterwards.
I would suggest reading about the true reasons for the financial crash, the credit bubble has being going on for about 60 years and it is still growing alarmingly, now on personal and government debt. This has lead to assets prices are crazy high (one example being property, another being stocks, another being government debt. You can argue supply/demand but available credit controls that, credit/loans controls growth as well)... That is the real problem and the day of reckoning still has to be answered, they are kicking it down the road by slashing interest rates. What they do when eventually it goes again, is the interesting bit massive QE, debt holiday, whos knows.
I do find all the Tories bad, labour good or Tories good, labour bad, very funny.
You need to do your research Phil. Basic rate of tax has a max ceiling of 32%, not 45%. Obviously higher than income tax in the UK. However, an example of Swedish tax, the VAT on the repair of your car is..... wait for it.... 6%. And there are a significant number of items, including many foodstuffs, with a VAT rate of 12%.
Always, always, always look at the overall tax burden. As I posted up yesterday, or the day before, Labour's pledge on income tax sounds great but the levels of indirect taxation proposed doesn't make great reading.