Happy Thursday

[Doon frae Troon]

As I said a couple of weeks ago I think a handful of votes either way in the Scottish Borders and NE Scotland will make the difference.
There are around 40 seats in Scotland that are marginal, tactical voting will be crucial and results may be surprising.

Loved the video of an English OAP at a Xmas dinner being asked how he would vote
'I am a great fan of Corbyn but I would never vote for him because of his Brexit stance, Brexit must happen'
Interviewer....'How will you vote then'
'Lib Dems'
Sums up this Election to me.

 

[Jacko_G]

As I said a couple of weeks ago I think a handful of votes either way in the Scottish Borders and NE Scotland will make the difference.
There are around 40 seats in Scotland that are marginal, tactical voting will be crucial and results may be surprising.

Loved the video of an English OAP at a Xmas dinner being asked how he would vote
'I am a great fan of Corbyn but I would never vote for him because of his Brexit stance, Brexit must happen'
Interviewer....'How will you vote then'
'Lib Dems'
Sums up this Election to me.

A great fan of Corbyn, words I never thought I'd read/hear!!!!

 

[Dando]

That is enough to remind anyone not to vote for the Labour party.

Genuinely that is so so frightening.

Diane abacus has calculated that labour are expected to get 13654645% of the votes ??

 

[Deleted member 15344]

i mentioned Sweden as a good example that Left or Right goverments and they have a fiscal rule they govern by. They have very high personal tax, which is higher than I would like - although the marginal rate is lower than anyone in the UK earning 125K

https://sweden.se/business/how-sweden-created-a-more-stable-economy/

They have such a great economy and public services but it’s down to a lot more taxation. Also everything is a lot more expensive there as well - and the people don’t seem to mind paying more taxes as long as it goes back into public services.

Just look at the reaction of suggestions of doing that here.

 

[patricks148]

A couple of questions if anyone is able to answer them......

1) If the result is another hung parliament with the Conservatives as the largest party but unable to form a coalition to get a majority (and assuming the other parties can't form a majority coalition) we continue with a minority government. Can Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Greens take control of parliamentary business to vote for a 2nd referendum against the wishes of the Conservatives?

2) In the same situation as above Jo Swinson has said that Lib Dem votes won't put either Johnson or Corbyn into No.10. Johnson continues as PM of a minority government. If Corbyn was to be replaced in the next few months with someone that the Lib Dems were prepared to support could they then form a coaltion majority or does it have to be done within a certain time period of the election?

don't worry if she has enough seats (which i doubt she will) she would be back in bed with the tory's in a shot

 

[Doon frae Troon]

A couple of questions if anyone is able to answer them......

1) If the result is another hung parliament with the Conservatives as the largest party but unable to form a coalition to get a majority (and assuming the other parties can't form a majority coalition) we continue with a minority government. Can Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Greens take control of parliamentary business to vote for a 2nd referendum against the wishes of the Conservatives?

2) In the same situation as above Jo Swinson has said that Lib Dem votes won't put either Johnson or Corbyn into No.10. Johnson continues as PM of a minority government. If Corbyn was to be replaced in the next few months with someone that the Lib Dems were prepared to support could they then form a coaltion majority or does it have to be done within a certain time period of the election?

Quite a simple answer really.
A Government cannot govern without a working majority, vote of no confidence then another election.
As we saw last time when a handful of DUP member held the country to ransom.

 

[Dando]

don't worry if she has enough seats (which i doubt she will) she would be back in bed with the tory's in a shot

but she said she wouldn't that and we all know that politicians don't lie!!!!!

 

[MegaSteve]

Having lived through the evil/vileness of MaggieT it's the (currently hidden) ones standing behind the Buffoon that scare me...

Add to that, the memory of the biggest tory lie of all time is still very fresh...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Having lived through the evil/vileness of MaggieT it's the (currently hidden) ones standing behind the Buffoon that scare me...

Add to that, the memory of the biggest tory lie of all time is still very fresh...

You're going to have to narrow it down mate...

 

[Foxholer]

The views of Russian or non tax paying no-dom billionaire owners of newspapers are very important and should be listened to as they are very representative of the average person and they all have the nations interests at heart. #factcheck

Absolutely!

I noted the Daily Wail (sic) went into pseudo/false panic mode ysterday in order to encourage reluctant Tory voters to vote!

 

[Jacko_G]

Absolutely!

I noted the Daily Wail (sic) went into pseudo/false panic mode ysterday in order to encourage reluctant Tory voters to vote!

And you're surprised why?

Similar to the BBC and their anti independence stand for the Scots.

 

[Foxholer]

i mentioned Sweden as a good example that Left or Right goverments and they have a fiscal rule they govern by. They have very high personal tax, which is higher than I would like - although the marginal rate is lower than anyone in the UK earning 125K

https://sweden.se/business/how-sweden-created-a-more-stable-economy/

That article indicates Sweden was something approaching a 'basket-case' not all that long ago! But Scandinavians seem, at least to me, to accept radical change far more easily than the likes of UK, French or Spanish voters. UK folk seem, to me, significantly more conservative/resistant to change.

Oh and FWIW Sweden contributes more per person to the EU than UK does!

 

[Foxholer]

And you're surprised why?
...

What made you think I was surprised? Because I'm not!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

My head hurts at the prospect!

Corbyn is the problem for the majority, only Labour can't see it or refuse to see it more likely.

And just to chuck another ingredient into the hung parliament melange - Jeffrey Donaldson said yesterday that the DUP would never support Corbyn but could support Labour...

Labour or LibDem for me. Probably latter.

 

[PNWokingham]

Having lived through the evil/vileness of MaggieT it's the (currently hidden) ones standing behind the Buffoon that scare me...

Add to that, the memory of the biggest tory lie of all time is still very fresh...

The evils of Maggie - she did more for this country than anyone since Churchill and Attlee - and helped it recover from being bankrupt by labour and the unions in the 1970s. Being bankrupt is a common theme with Labour, as the Torrioes found out in 2010! Both sides of this campaign have been awful in behaviour and lies but I trust Corbyn, Abbot and the entire labour Government less than expired sushi and would sooner have a prostate exam from Edward Scissor hands than see them bankrupt this country that so many fought and worked for

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Was leaning towards labour before the manifestos were printed(as have certain socialist aspects in my thoughts/makeup). Never have I reacted so strongly about the tax rises and what kind of people that they will hit the hardest, I was truly and still am shocked. Leader and what he has done etc, no comment. So that killed labour.

Cons. its been a bit of a nothing show by them and don't think anything will change if they get in power. Leader no comment, as with labour. So that's them out.

Lib dems, vowed to never vote for again after they sold their soul to the coalition and done students up, #could not be trusted. But prefer their manifesto to the other two extremes.

We do have independents standing, but don't know much about them, like the Greens and think another one.

Still undecided tbh, but will see how I feel like at the polling station.

Wouldn't be surprised if the above, is reflected in many peoples thoughts. We need some normal people in HOC and HOL, which over the last 50ish years, has become less reflected of society.

Anyway all enjoying the voting, whatever I like to say, it is certainly interesting.

 

[Crow]

The evils of Maggie - she did more for this country than anyone since Churchill and Attlee - and helped it recover from being bankrupt by labour and the unions in the 1970s. Being bankrupt is a common theme with Labour, as the Torrioes found out in 2010! Both sides of this campaign have been awful in behaviour and lies but I trust Corbyn, Abbot and the entire labour Government less than expired sushi and would sooner have a prostate exam from Edward Scissor hands than see them bankrupt this country that so many fought and worked for

You mean she splurged all the oil money to destroy our industry rather than investing it.

 

[Colonel Bogey]

We need Tories to get a big majority, then they can put this bluddy brexit to bed. Labour can gert rid of corbin and sort themselves out and come back to the middle ground and be worthy opponents. Then we can watch the Tories get over confident and arrogant in power, become complacent and dodgey and then swing back to a Labour party that has some brains and sorts out the UK properly. Unfortunately this is just a dream. They've all had a go at running the country whilst I've been voting and none have done a decent job, even the LIbs became arrogant gits. So they are all useless so the party that does the best for me will always get my vote. Nutz to evryone else. Sorry but that's just how I feel. I've given all parties my vote and none have sorting the country out EVER.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Was leaning towards labour before the manifestos were printed(as have certain socialist aspects in my thoughts/makeup). Never have I reacted so strongly about the tax rises and what kind of people that they will hit the hardest, I was truly and still am shocked. Leader and what he has done etc, no comment. So that killed labour.

Cons. its been a bit of a nothing show by them and don't think anything will change if they get in power. Leader no comment, as with labour. So that's them out.

Lib dems, vowed to never vote for again after they sold their soul to the coalition and done students up, #could not be trusted. But prefer their manifesto to the other two extremes.

We do have independents standing, but don't know much about them, like the Greens and think another one.

Still undecided tbh, but will see how I feel like at the polling station.

Wouldn't be surprised if the above, is reflected in many peoples thoughts. We need some normal people in HOC and HOL, which over the last 50ish years, has become less reflected of society.

Anyway all enjoying the voting, whatever I like to say, it is certainly interesting.

Summed it up well

Can’t vote Labour because I can’t trust the leader and the shadow cabinet he has compiled frightens me - I like his ideas but some are too far left. A different leader and a gentle swing away from the left and Labour would have walked this election

Tories - can never vote for them , always in the belief they only look after themselves and the rich , what they did to our industries over the decades is criminal and will never forget the “managed decline” which affected my family.

Lib Dem’s - it’s a shame they got into bed with the Tories when they did because they got screwed over

Greens - lovely idea , no chance

It will be an independent for me or a spoil

 

[patricks148]

You mean she splurged all the oil money to destroy our industry rather than investing it.

don't forget flogged off all the countrys Nationalised Industries for bugger all to Dennis's mates in the city and sold all the council houses causing the housing shortage we have now.... but hay she cut tax