Handicap question

[davek]

Hi all, I am back playing after a ten year gap and have just put in my three cards for my handicap. I played from the yellow tee's and went round in 15, 18 & 20 over. My new handicap is 13? Could anyone give me a rough idea how it is worked out or does it differ from club to club? I am not complaining about it as i would like to work my way down as low as I can but this is lower than I expected.

 

[Twire]

They will take your lowest card (15 over). If you had a bad hole on that card, it will be rounded down to a double bogie. This is where the extra 2 shots could of come from.

 

[davek]

Thanks Twire, I thought (probably foolishly) that you would get an average of the 3. I also thought there would be an adjustment as my cards went in off the yellow rather than white tees . Ah well I will just have to pull my finger out and stop losing balls (yeah right)

 

[Region3]

As someone already said, anything worse than a double will have been altered to a double.

Also, what is the sss and par off the yellows as it's worked against the standard scratch score rather than par.

 

[Twire]

I'm sure it used to be the average of 3 cards, but unfortunately not any more.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Twire is right, it should be the lowest "netted down" card against the SSS of the course played. In addition though, even after a 10 year gap, your previous handicap may be taken into account too as well as other factors such as your age.

For example if you were off 6 aged 18 and are now only 28 then I doubt if you would get more than 9 even though the best card alone says 13. If you were previously off 10 aged 55 and are now 65 with a card saying 13 you would probably get the full 13.

 

[Putting_Green_Pro]

I played from the yellow tee's and went round in 15, 18 & 20 over. My new handicap is 13

That's unfair! I posted a 15, 16 and 18 (I think :S) and got a handicap of 22!

 

[viscount17]

I played from the yellow tee's and went round in 15, 18 & 20 over. My new handicap is 13

That's unfair! I posted a 15, 16 and 18 (I think :S) and got a handicap of 22!

yes but the windmill hole counts double!

 

[davek]

I was 29 playing off 18 , the Par off the yellows is 68 SSS 68

 

[RGDave]

Hi all, I am back playing after a ten year gap and have just put in my three cards for my handicap. I played from the yellow tee's and went round in 15, 18 & 20 over. My new handicap is 13?

Off yellows? No justification at all, unless you had at least 2 triple-bogeys. What's the SSS off yellow....?

Sounds like you've been done, then again - what were you off before you quit?

I got 11.5 after a best card of 14 over SSS with NO adjusted triple-bogeys. Off white, I soon discovered even 15 or 16 over SSS was pretty tough. Took me over a year to get competitive.....

I don't like these "invented" h'caps. You should get the figure based on the amount of shots over SSS....

 

[Herbie]

Sounds like an 'Old School' way of working out h/caps, Im all for it, make it tough from the begining, and tough for anyone returning, I prefer this and believe it encourages better golf, and maintains a fairer playing field.

I am surprised that I have not seen many very happy on this site with a cut, yet a cut for me no matter how unfairly done is better kudos than going the other way .(which I am just at the moment ) As all would say when their h/c is high......."It will work out in adjustments through the year." Doesnt it work both ways?

 

[RGDave]

I'm one who's not convinced by the "it'll work itself out argument". If someone plays to 15 over SSS (best card) with no double-adjustments necessary, then their h'cap should be 15.
If the sec' gives them 13 or something to be on the safe side, that's 20 comps worth of 0.1s to get to 15.

My argument (and I'm still sticking to it) is to give the correct figure (based on the best card) and then with new h'caps (and ONLY new ones) look over the cards of your new members now and again.

I had 20 or 30 cards in the first year which were out of the buffer (worse than h'cap) off yellow. I didn't get any 0.1s and was told to play in more white tee comps.

IF the secretary had replied to my query, "oh yes, I see you've put in 40 cards this year and not yet played to your h'cap, I'm putting you UP to the original 13/14 or whatever of your best card from the first 3", then I'd have been no better or worse off, other than maybe playing to it on a few occasions. I'd have won nothing and simply got cut more two years in once the regular under-h'cap cards started to flow.

If secretaries are GENUINELY worried about giving high h'caps, why not put everyone new off 2 less than the cards suggest and ask players to provide evidence (if there is any) if after 10 full rounds, the h'cap has not been met yet. If a player was given 14 and within a few comps was clearly very close or on 14, then leave it be.

 

[Jigger]

Clubs over here use the congu system. An explanation can be found here.

http://www.handicapmaster.org/handicaps/Unified_Handicapping_System_Page1.php

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think I follow RGUK's argument and agree that it would make everyones life a lot easier to base the handicap on the evidence in front of the H/C secretary and not to then add in redeeming factors like playing off x when the player stopped y years ago. If the handicap on the card is 15 then give him 15. It'll get cut quicker if they win or play under it and to wait 20 events to get the two shots back seems unfair.

Right off to get these rose coloured glasse polished!

 

[Fyldewhite]

As I've said in another post, the rules are there and quite clear. Clubs just need to follow them and not be scared of a newly handicapped player (heaven forbid) doing a good score.