Handical question.

[Andy808]

I have a question for the handicap experts. Follow closely this is complicated.

On Sunday we play the first round of our annual biggy the masters (I know it's corny).
Now I know most places play both rounds on the same day or at least over two days on the same weekend. Unfortunately we have too many seniors who have thrown their collective weight around and it's now played over two Sundays.
Now here's the complicated bit. Over the second weekend it's our monthly medal competition which any cometitor of the masters will have to play on the Friday or Saturday as the second masters round is on Sunday. If a player in the masters has a stella round with the potential of getting a handicap cut would they have to find out this for the masters round even though the medal comp isn't finished or would they continue to play off their first round handicap as that's the one they started the comp with or does it not matter as the medal comp isn't finished either?
Hope you lovely people can shed some light on this.

 

[G1BB0]

My clubs champs is over consecutive Sundays for the same reason, no comps inbetween though.

My take is that if you have a stellar round and know you will be cut then either you check before the round on the board too see if it is effective or take it upon yourself to cut yourself and play whatever the next comp/round is under the new h/c

 

[Imurg]

If the Comp isn't completed but you've had a good round and are playing again before you get notification of any cut you should work to the SSS and cut yourself accordingly.
I think you're covered if any subsequent change to the cut means a lower handicap - ie if you cut yourself 0.3 after being 1 under SSS and this takes you to, say, 18.6 but in the Comp CSS rises so you actually get cut 0.6 and start playing off 18. You're not to know exactly what CSS is going to do (of course if it wasn't there then there would be no confusion but that's another argument).

 

[duncan mackie]

easy one really - anyone playing the course between the two rounds of the Masters would be disqualified; there, no handicap complication at all

Part of 7-1b "When two or more rounds of a stroke play competition are to be played over consecutive days, a competitor must not practise between those rounds on any competition course remaining to be played, ..."

However, the committee are permitted by the Note to Rule 7-1 to specifically permit practice on the course between rounds and, if they do, one would reasonably assume that they would clarify the consequences of any handicap adjustment from the other competition. Logically they would simply dictate that each round of the Masters, and any other comp, would be treated as a seperate qualifying competiton for handicapping.

 

[backwoodsman]

easy one really - anyone playing the course between the two rounds of the Masters would be disqualified; there, no handicap complication at all

Part of 7-1b "When two or more rounds of a stroke play competition are to be played over consecutive days, a competitor must not practise between those rounds on any competition course remaining to be played, ..."

However, the committee are permitted by the Note to Rule 7-1 to specifically permit practice on the course between rounds and, if they do, one would reasonably assume that they would clarify the consequences of any handicap adjustment from the other competition. Logically they would simply dictate that each round of the Masters, and any other comp, would be treated as a seperate qualifying competiton for handicapping.

Hmmm... Since when have two Sundays been consecutive days?

 

[Andy808]

Hmmm... Since when have two Sundays been consecutive days?

That's what is bothering me about it. There are several members, including myself, that are trying to get the comp played over one weekend but it's becoming a struggle to get the details hammered out that please the vast majority.

 

[backwoodsman]

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-24574.html

If the guys on the linked thread above have it right, then both rounds of the comp are played off the same handicap. You'll get a change based on both rounds when the comp is completed. You can play in the medal, and if appropriate you'll get a change as a result, but it won't apply to the second round of the comp

 

[Andy808]

Good to see it's not complicated then

I think I will get clarification from the club secretary as the captain has said that the handicap will change between rounds even if they are played on the same day. I think I'll just put down my gross score and let the secretary work it out as my brain is now frazzled!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

easy one really - anyone playing the course between the two rounds of the Masters would be disqualified; there, no handicap complication at all

Part of 7-1b "When two or more rounds of a stroke play competition are to be played over consecutive days, a competitor must not practise between those rounds on any competition course remaining to be played, ..."

But as usual, this rule has a degree of ambiguity to it. Lets say the course was setup the same for both rounds, tees and pins in the same spot. In this case, you could argue that having already played round 1, you have already played the course once and therefore, it isn't "remaining to be played". If they move the tees and pins for round two, the "course" is different and since you haven't played it in the new setup, you shouldn't be allowed to play it between the comp rounds, unless of course they move the tess again after the medal

 

[Oddsocks]

Good job!

Is this person just postIng stupid 2/3 word answers on every thread just to get their post count up....... Good job, nice one, bla bla friggin bla

 

[pbrown7582]

Is this person just postIng stupid 2/3 word answers on every thread just to get their post count up....... Good job, nice one, bla bla friggin bla

Another spammer been one every morning this week mods will soon act.

 

[Twire]

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-24574.html

If the guys on the linked thread above have it right, then both rounds of the comp are played off the same handicap. You'll get a change based on both rounds when the comp is completed. You can play in the medal, and if appropriate you'll get a change as a result, but it won't apply to the second round of the comp

This is the way I would look at it. As your 'Masters' is a 36 hole competition your handicap shouldn't change in between. All handicap adjustments should be done at the end.

 

[DCB]

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-24574.html

If the guys on the linked thread above have it right, then both rounds of the comp are played off the same handicap. You'll get a change based on both rounds when the comp is completed. You can play in the medal, and if appropriate you'll get a change as a result, but it won't apply to the second round of the comp

Correct.

 

[Imurg]

If the comp is over 36 holes a week apart, then a CSS has to be determined for each round. Any change won't apply to the comp but should it apply to a comp played between the 2 comp rounds...?
Say Someone(18 handicap) shoots 3 under SSS first round this Sunday. He should be cut 1.2 but not for the 2nd round of that comp next Sunday.
But he has a KO Matchplay on the Wednesday. Should he cut himself the shot?

I think so.....
Am I wrong?

 

[DCB]

Any handicap change from rnd 1 of the two round comp would have to follow through into the midweek medal. It's just the two round comp that is played off the initial handicap that was in place at the start of rnd 1.

 

[Airlie_Andy]

This may be a stupid question but are you supposed to apply the handicap adjustment yourself? My club has 3 comps a week so if I played on he Saturday and scored well enough to get a cut should I be working this out myself prior to playing on the Sunday morning and using the new handicap?

 

[pbrown7582]

i believe you are supposed to apply a cut assuming CSS is the same as SSS,

 

[Andy808]

Popped up the club and asked the pro his opinion.
For the masters it's all off one hadicap but he didn't know if there would have to be a handicap change for the medal in the middle.
He's going to look it up or ring the R&A for a difinative answer.