Hand path vs Shaft path

If you want to try copying some of the pros, google swingvision and you'll find loads of clips in SlowMo taken from face on and down the line.
 
I think its a bit pointless that people playing off low handicaps just think that "go out there and swing the club", is all the advice thats needed. People who are struggling obviously have a technical flaw in their swing when they go out and just swing it.

If the OP is too steep in to the ball and its causing all sorts of problems, then a swing thought such as " flatten the down swing " (just an example) might help him to get everything in sequence and produce better shots.

Half mocking posts about keeping it simple or just watch the ball is fine if you already have a fairly decent swing... also its frankly a bit boring just hearing people talking like that because somehow they think they have all the answers.
 
virtuocity said:
Down by the right hip you say? I take it that's FEEL rather than REAL! Any changes to distance?
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The way I start my downswing, is that I drop my right elbow towards my hip, my left shoulder rises slightly and again the feel is that my left shoulder is slightly right of the target. With my right elbow down towards my hip, with the wrist hinge the club head is behind me.

ricky swing.jpg

In the above image of Ricky Fowler, you can see his right elbow tucked in, wrists hinged and the club head behind him. The elbow tuck in is NOT a feeling it's what you do, the club head IS behind you, but the feeling you get will be the club head is well behind you.

The whole purpose for me, in doing the above, is to create club head speed, creating the lag has allowed me to slow my swing down, but still keep the distance, but more over distance may have increased and control has improved massivley.
 
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I think one of the best visual clues of how (most of) the pros move the club on the downswing is watching slow motion swings face on.

If you drew a horizontal line level with the club at the top of the backswing, the club head hardly - if at all - goes above that line on the way down.

A lot of amateurs - either in an attempt to swing hard at the ball, or keep the swing as wide as possible - throw the club straight back up above the line.

Mr. McIlroy is a good example.

[video=youtube;qZKoY8Tghaw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZKoY8Tghaw[/video]
 
socky said:
I think its a bit pointless that people playing off low handicaps just think that "go out there and swing the club", is all the advice thats needed. People who are struggling obviously have a technical flaw in their swing when they go out and just swing it.

If the OP is too steep in to the ball and its causing all sorts of problems, then a swing thought such as " flatten the down swing " (just an example) might help him to get everything in sequence and produce better shots.

Half mocking posts about keeping it simple or just watch the ball is fine if you already have a fairly decent swing... also its frankly a bit boring just hearing people talking like that because somehow they think they have all the answers.
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Yes, much better to read about someone off 17 telling low handicappers that they are full of arrogant nonsense eh?
 
Region3 said:
I think one of the best visual clues of how (most of) the pros move the club on the downswing is watching slow motion swings face on.

If you drew a horizontal line level with the club at the top of the backswing, the club head hardly - if at all - goes above that line on the way down.

A lot of amateurs - either in an attempt to swing hard at the ball, or keep the swing as wide as possible - throw the club straight back up above the line.

Mr. McIlroy is a good example.

[video=youtube;qZKoY8Tghaw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZKoY8Tghaw[/video]
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Quality post Gary.
 
I tried this with the driver for a round and was annihilating them dead straight. I was literally letting the head drop at the top of the backswing. I stopped doing it because it was difficult to get right everytime, sometimes not letting it drop enough, or to much etc.

Mark Crossfield bangs on about this in every video
 
el marko said:
I tried this with the driver for a round and was annihilating them dead straight. I was literally letting the head drop at the top of the backswing. I stopped doing it because it was difficult to get right everytime, sometimes not letting it drop enough, or to much etc.

Mark Crossfield bangs on about this in every video
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It's all about practice and to be fair I hit the range most nights, the course once a week and lessons every fortnight.

I'm not sure if Snelly's post was a dig at me or Socky, but either way I currently play off 17 and what I posted above works for me. I was replying to Virtuocity's original post as he asked the question.
 
First decent thread on this forum for a while, well done OP!

Mark "Marmite" Crossfield explains all in this vid for those here not quite understanding what the OP is saying on the different "planes" in a swing.... it all boils down to fixing an "in to out" downswing, giving more consistency, cleaner AOA, more control and distance... anyone here need that? Or just goning to get sucker punched by the next TMAG marketing campaign for 17 more yeards! lol

This is just one vid from his channel, plenty more there that cover the same and slightly different angles of the changes.
[video=youtube;X6SSnheefXg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6SSnheefXg[/video]
 
socky said:
I think its a bit pointless that people playing off low handicaps just think that "go out there and swing the club", is all the advice thats needed. People who are struggling obviously have a technical flaw in their swing when they go out and just swing it.

If the OP is too steep in to the ball and its causing all sorts of problems, then a swing thought such as " flatten the down swing " (just an example) might help him to get everything in sequence and produce better shots.

Half mocking posts about keeping it simple or just watch the ball is fine if you already have a fairly decent swing... also its frankly a bit boring just hearing people talking like that because somehow they think they have all the answers.
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You might have a point if it was something fundamental, like ball position, grip or takeaway, But in this case it's neither arrogant nor mocking to talk of 'spaghetti head' or KISS - or 'Really FFS, what in heaven's name are you thinking about this for when there's so many more important things to think about (consider) that must be wrong from the way you describe your game!'!!! I'm normally happy to discuss swing mechanics ad nauseum, but this is just a ridiculous technicality for (as I stated earlier) 99.99% of players to think about (consider)!:rant:

For a bit of common sense on Swing Mechanics Analysis, tahe a look at some of Wayne DeFrancesco's YouTube analysis of Tournament Winners.
 
virtuocity said:
Apologies for the confusion.

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On picture 3 (top of the backswing) to picture 4 (downswing) the path of the hands is the same, but the shaft path is flattened a little (I think).
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You might be talking about something Faldo alluded to in a video he did with Leadbetter, Nick Faldos Golf Course I think it was called. It would've been in the downswing section and he spoke about a re-rotation of the arms which would be just shy of 20 minutes into the video before the beach ball bit.

If you're really interested in all that sort of stuff, consider having a look at the golf machine if you haven't already. They talk about planes in that amongst a few other things.

Edit: I probably should add an golfing adage along the lines of give me someone with big feet and no brains and I'll make a golfer out of them. Too much to think in this game and get in your own way. Skill sets for teaching and playing aren't the same and players needn't necessarily concern themselves with some things teachers do and vice versa.
 
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Sybez said:
First decent thread on this forum for a while, well done OP!

Mark "Marmite" Crossfield explains all in this vid for those here not quite understanding what the OP is saying on the different "planes" in a swing.... it all boils down to fixing an "in to out" downswing, giving more consistency, cleaner AOA, more control and distance... anyone here need that? Or just goning to get sucker punched by the next TMAG marketing campaign for 17 more yeards! lol
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Ah pretty much what I was referring to, I think!
 
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