spawn_ukuk
Tour Rookie
I already knew the lofts of the irons before i tried them, i aint that stupid to fall for marketing.
I know the reasons why im hitting the irons further, Every does, But im happy with that
Had to buy them
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I already knew the lofts of the irons before i tried them, i aint that stupid to fall for marketing.
I know the reasons why im hitting the irons further, Every does, But im happy with that
spawn_ukuk
Tour Rookie
Agreed alot of people here very quick to slate what I have bought, very disappointing
Do i trust the AG Monitor 100%? nah that's why i always take a old clubs to compare with the new ones so at least know which one i hit further and straighter.
Yes the Irons are strengthened that's no longer a big deal as far as I'm aware most of them are doing it now.
I'm going to stop posting on here because all we get is crap pointless posts
Thank you to those who gave positive constructive posts
virtuocity
Tour Winner
I don't give a hoot about lengths, lies, lofts, blades, cavities or anything else.
I know that there is a good feeling going for the green with a 9 iron for my second shot rather than an 8 or a 7.
I know that there is a good feeling going for the green with a 9 iron for my second shot rather than an 8 or a 7.
mab
Challenge Tour Pro
I did read your post. Whether or not you agree with my point, your response suggests you missed it. Let me explain...
The x22 irons have a PW loft of 45*. The TM irons have a PW loft of 45*. Accordingly, the OP has 3 further wedges, namely GW / SW / LW. Accordingly, at that end of the bag, little has changed.
At the opposite end of the bag, the x22 irons have a 4 iron loft of 24*. The TM irons have a 4 iron loft of 20*. Clearly this results in a difference through the set with each iron being progressively more 'jacked' than its x22 counterpart. My point is that this could be a good thing.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that the TM 4 iron goes 15 yards further than the x22 4 iron. That means the TM irons offer a broader end to end range of distance than the x22 irons, by a total of 15 yards assuming the identifcally lofted PWs go the same distance. In my mind that's a real benefit - an extra 15 yard spread with the same number of irons, with the only negative being slightly longer gapping between each club. Again, extrapoloting the numbers, an extra 15 yards across 7 clubs works out at approx 2 yards per club which is negligible... but the 15 yard total spread is significant.
In conclusion and in my opinion, the OP has experienced a real gain here.
I appreciate your point re: 45* PWs likely requiring a further 3 wedges, but I believe that has become the norm now with GI irons. What loft PW would allow you to carry only a further 2 wedges? For me, it would probably be around 49*... and I wouldn't have thought many 49* PW GI iron sets are available these days...
Spawn you did state clearly at the bottom of your first post... Any comments welcomed?
But you are not actually going for the green with a 9 iron are you? Its an 8 iron with a different number stamped on it...
virtuocity
Tour Winner
Nope it's a club with a 9 on it. That makes it a 9 iron.
the smiling assassin
Challenge Tour Pro
Foxholer
Blackballed
And in that regard TM (as they started it I believe) have done the Golfing world a favour.
But I'll still be happy hitting my same loft/length 8 iron (actually I'd probably be hitting 7) knowing it's just the same.
@mab. No I didn't miss your point - that they only need 7 clubs to cover range 45* to 20* rather than the X22's 8. Could be a goof thing, or maybe not. 10 yard gaps are nice - and easy to remember too! Both sets virtually require a Gap Wedge. And the cynic might say that TM really only did it for the additional profit from saving 1 club!
@spawnuk I do hope you enjoy the new clubs. You were absolutely correct to take your own as 'calibrate' too. Accuracy of LM is then almost irrelevant; it's the comparison that's important. Apologies if you got too negative impression from my post(s). I did surround the word 'victim' with apostrophes! Does seem to me though, that it's quite an expense for little gain over/change from the thoroughly solid X22s.
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GB72
Money List Winner
I am going to stick my neck out a bit and say that I do not think that it was TM who began the habit of jacking up the lofts on irons. I think that it was Wilson Staff with the DI7s that were the first to do that but I may be wrong (I often am)
mab
Challenge Tour Pro
...the cynic might say that TM really only did it for the additional profit from saving 1 club!
I don't dispute that!
I do dispute the traditional thinking that (I believe) many people hold about 10 yard gaps. The typical golfer has such a large standard deviation on distance with each club that the '10 yard gap' becomes irrelevent... and the average gap of many people, even with more 'traditional' lofts, will not be 10 yards either.
I firmly believe that an additional 2 yard gap between each club (per my example above) would make absolutely zero difference to the typical golfer's ability to select the appropriate club and hit the appopriate distance.
Foxholer
Blackballed
But then I'd have to do far too much 'complicated' mental arithmetic
! And considering the number of times I've added the distance from the sprinkler head instead of subtracting it..... Maybe a DMD would help! 
Especially if it had my yardages or could recommend a club! :rofl:@GB72 That wouldn't surprise me either. It was probably started even before that - since numbers started to be used probably!
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spawn_ukuk
Tour Rookie
Yes i did but do i have to really start saying only constructive comments only.?
Im not sure why people have to try put others down on here and say negative comments.
Foxholer
Blackballed
If you only want positive (as opposed to constructive) comments, go talk to your dog!
On a forum (any forum) there's likely to be a variety of opinions - it is after what a Forum is!
How you handle perceived negative comments is up to the individual! Shouldn't prevent others from giving them if that's how they feel!
Alex1975
Tour Winner
OP I dont think you were attacked here... your post is called "I Just HAD to buy them" but you do not give a good reason for that. Your not telling us they are the most beautiful clubs you have seen, your not saying they have the best feeling and your not saying that they are more accurate so.... why then did you have to buy them? They are the same as you have but they have different numbers on them... in my opinion you just had to walk away.
If I were to be harsh I would suggest that not only were you AG`d you were also TM`d. The fact that you state that you are aware but the title is what it is and the fact that you actually request comments and only talk about distance means you know exactly what this post was going to be......
If I were to be harsh I would suggest that not only were you AG`d you were also TM`d. The fact that you state that you are aware but the title is what it is and the fact that you actually request comments and only talk about distance means you know exactly what this post was going to be......
spawn_ukuk
Tour Rookie
Can a admin please close or delete this thread thank you
I'll just finish with a post of good will...
You are gaming irons with jacked lofts... So what? Most golfers are these days. I was just trying to help you out by pointing out the problems I had with my Burners in the shorter end of the bag.
I hope you enjoy them mate :thup:
As someone who is getting new irons and having used a launch monitor to a large degree to decide what was and wasn't working for me then I am happy for you and your new purchase. Seems a decent price too. I think my I25's are more conventional in terms of lofts compared to the TM's BUT providing you can get your yardages worked out somewhere to know what each club does for you and your swing then I'd just plough on and enjoy the new bats
