Gun activists.

[CliveW]

Does the Second Amendment not state "A well regulated Malitia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Surely individuals are not "A well regulated Militia" ?

 

[Tashyboy]

I said it's rare, I didn't say they don't exist. Of course I see them around but not as a regular thing like you do in other countries. Every bobby doesn't have a gun hanging on their hip.

6,683 armed bobbies and rising.

 

[Tashyboy]

Something a Brit would say.
Do you know how heavy a Colt 45 is?
I'll bet you've never fired one....which is un-American!

Grannies pack small caliber Berettas.
And YOB owns no military weapons...honest.

the colt was said in jest, oddly enough I held an old Colt hand gun from the wild west just before Xmas. It weighed a ton and scared the bloody life outta me.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

We are very diverse, and we don't all like one another.

According to Stormzy neither do we!

 

[Robster59]

6,683 armed bobbies and rising.

Out of over 123,000 that's about 5%

 

[Swango1980]

Out of over 123,000 that's about 5%

I believe it is 100% in Northern Ireland

 

[bobmac]

How can I argue when I know that what you say is a disgraceful truth?
What I'm saying is that there is no plausible solution.

Americans are a violent lot and have a constitutional right to bear arms until they're convicted of a felony by a jury of their peers---and then it's too late.

I have never aimed one of my target rifles at a living creature and pray that I never will.

Repeating yourself over and over again doesn't make you right.

I'd like to know why you think your great food is so good?

 

[Tashyboy]

Repeating yourself over and over again doesn't make you right.

I'd like to know why you think your great food is so good?

have you seen the size of some of them. It must be good. ? and makes a bigger target.

 

[USER1999]

You need a bigger calibre to bring down the larger athlete too.

 

[patricks148]

have you seen the size of some of them. It must be good. ? and makes a bigger target.

most of it is just swimming with grease or covered in plastic cheese... or both.... beer is crap too

 

[Tashyboy]

most of it is just swimming with grease or covered in plastic cheese... or both.... beer is crap too

Had to many lovely beers in Boston.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Repeating yourself over and over again doesn't make you right.

I'd like to know why you think your great food is so good?

I'm not making any arguments in an attempt to be perceived as "right."

I'm making the explanation that unless my nation gets less polarized, which is nothing that appears imminent,
our constitution cannot be amended. Unless our constitution is amended, nothing short of overthrowing the government of the United States can remove the right of Americans to own firearms. It can't be done by mere statute in this country.

This isn't a "view." This is an unassailable fact.

What's more, I don't believe that I'm so inarticulate that the point I've been trying to make hasn't been quite easy to grasp.
On the contrary, I believe that I've expressed myself quite well on the subject.

Therefore, bobmac, my easy to reach conclusion is that you are being willfully obtuse on the subject.

It's a reasonably big world. If you're so terrified about getting your ass capped in America, enjoy your holiday someplace else. I enjoy visiting the UK, even though your cops are not armed to protect me should I be assaulted on the street. I'll accept the risk to enjoy your country.



As for our food, well, American food and my dog are the things that I miss most when I'm abroad.
[Good Lord, I'd make a pretty ugly broad.]

I had a great filet mignon in my hotel dining room and a pretty good Italian meal in a small bistro while in England. Other that that, though, TGIF was the only other place that I could find a decent meal. Even Chinatown was disappointing.

I'm not crazy about your restaurants, at least the ones that I've tried. You can stumble blind drunk into any establishment in Manhattan or Las Vegas and get a fabulous meal. I think that everybody favors the kind of food to which he/she is accustomed, though. Perhaps you don't like American food, and that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing....at least when you get your cholesterol level checked.

 

[Tashyboy]

Unfortunately YOB, your the first american on here and I think that sometimes people on here tar everyone with the same brush. As Americans think Manchester is a suburb of London, British people think that all Yanks are over weight, and walk around trigger happy Eating shite.
Ave been to Boston, Vegas, New York, Sausalito San Francisco, Hawaii and Florida.
Boston was fantastic, that’s down to the people and history.
New York, duo of pig ignorants people with a dump of a hotel called Waldorf Astoria.
Florida is a kids playground.
Vegas is an adults playground.
San Fran, expensive and touristy.
Saussilito, stunningly beautiful.
Hawaii, still on the fence.
my point is that it is all different and am sure Ave only scratched the surface.

You don’t need to explain yourself as I have over priced rammel food both here and in the US OF A, and underpriced excellent food in both countries. Hmmmmmm butties in Harvard.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Does the Second Amendment not state "A well regulated Malitia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Surely individuals are not "A well regulated Militia" ?

A "militia" in America is a private vigilante army not associated with the federal government. The fact that they're constitutionally legal in America is a much bigger problem than individual firearms ownership. People who hunt geese for the table aren't usually a threat to anybody but the geese...and often not to them, either

[And most Americans prefer turkey to goose. We can hunt them as well, but since the supermarket has plenty of them, and the farm ones are far meatier than the wild ones, there's no need.]

Fortunately, they're ( the militias) mostly ceremonial. Whenever they've tried to become otherwise, they transform into corpses or prison inmates quite rapidly upon encountering the legitimate National Guard.

Here is another thing to be upset about our 2nd Amendment. The right to bear arms isn't simply about hunting and self defense. It's about having the right to overthrow an illegitimate government should it arise. However, the government is not perceived to be illegitimate as long as the provisions of free elections and adherence to the amendable Constitution is maintained.

This may have made sense in the musket era. In the era of missile bearing drones, it's quite absurd to think that you'll defeat the United States military with your privately owned small arms. Fortunately, it isn't necessary. We go to our local polling places, much as you do, and change our government without a single shot being fired.

 

[patricks148]

A "militia" in America is a private vigilante army not associated with the federal government. The fact that they're constitutionally legal in America is a much bigger problem than individual firearms ownership. People who hunt geese for the table aren't usually a threat to anybody but the geese...and often not to them, either

[And most Americans prefer turkey to goose. We can hunt them as well, but since the supermarket has plenty of them, and the farm ones are far meatier than the wild ones, there's no need.]

Fortunately, they're ( the militias) mostly ceremonial. Whenever they've tried to become otherwise, they transform into corpses or prison inmates quite rapidly upon encountering the legitimate National Guard.

Here is another thing to be upset about our 2nd Amendment. The right to bear arms isn't simply about hunting and self defense. It's about having the right to overthrow an illegitimate government should it arise. However, the government is not perceived to be illegitimate as long as the provisions of free elections and adherence to the Constitution is maintained.

This may have made sense in the musket era. In the era of missile bearing drones, it's quite absurd to think that you'll defeat the United States military with your privately owned small arms. Fortunately, it isn't necessary. We go to our local polling places, much as you do, and change our government without a single shot being fired.

having the right to have or do some something doesn't mean you have to do it though does it?? ,

for instance i believe you can shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow from the walls of York, or kill a Welshman in Hereford, doesn't mean any one does it though

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

having the right to have or do some something doesn't mean you have to do it though does it?? ,

for instance i believe you can shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow from the walls of York, or kill a Welshman in Hereford, doesn't mean any one does it though

Nobody is required to own firearms in America.
Our firearms laws can become much more sensible without being in non-compliance with our Constitution.

For example, WWI Thompson sub-machine guns were popular with American gangsters in the 1920s.
Private ownership of machine guns was abolished by statute and that passed constitutional muster.
Unautherized possession of one of those brings LIFE imprisonment.

Municipalities by local ordinance can ban carrying handguns within the city without a hard-to-get license and that passes constitutional muster.
People with a license must have a very good reason to have it, and their weapons are registered with samples of the rifling marks on fired bullets and the firing pin mark on the spent cartridge on file. If you legally have a handgun in Boston or New York, for example, and you use it in a crime, you're cooked. Target pistol owners can bring their weapons back and forth from their homes to the ranges in a carrying case but cannot wear them concealed.

We had a ban against assault rifles which passed constitutional muster but which has been inexplicably reversed; that must be re-instated.

We have far too many non-sporting arms that can be removed from the population without offending constitutional provisions as long as the owners are remunerated upon surrendering them. This must be done, but our Trumpanzees are preventing it.

None of the recent horrific mass murders were committed with deer rifles or shotguns. They were committed with assault weapons that can and should be banned. The Constitution allows it and reasonable people demand it.

 

[Tashyboy]

Nobody is required to own firearms in America.
Our firearms laws can become much more sensible without being in non-compliance with our Constitution.

For example, WWI Thompson sub-machine guns were popular with American gangsters in the 1920s.
Private ownership of machine guns was abolished by statute and that passed constitutional muster.
Unautherized possession of one of those brings LIFE imprisonment.

Municipalities by local ordinance can ban carrying handguns within the city without a hard-to-get license and that passes constitutional muster.
People with a license must have a very good reason to have it, and their weapons are registered with samples of the rifling marks on fired bullets and the firing pin mark on the spent cartridge on file. If you legally have a handgun in Boston or New York, for example, and you use it in a crime, you're cooked. Target pistol owners can bring their weapons back and forth from their homes to the ranges in a carrying case but cannot wear them concealed.

We had a ban against assault rifles which passed constitutional muster but which has been inexplicably reversed; that must be re-instated.

We have far too many non-sporting arms that can be removed from the population without offending constitutional provisions as long as the owners are remunerated upon surrendering them. This must be done, but our Trumpanzees are preventing it.

None of the recent horrific mass murders were committed with deer rifles or shotguns. They were committed with assault weapons that can and should be banned. The Constitution allows it and reasonable people demand it.

every days a schoolday ? lovely descriptive word.

 

[Robster59]

And that is not protected by our constitution. We're not allowed to own missile launchers, by the same reasoning.

The candidates for which I vote are struggling to change that.
Military weapons have no place in civilian life.
They're disgraceful for "sport" and unnecessary for self-defense.
We certainly agree there.

In fairness, I don't think you're condoning the massive gun ethos of the USA, I can see that you are saying that you don't agree with it but you can't see any way that is being changed. And, sadly, I think you're right. I don't like guns, I hate the gun culture. But.... the only President who tried to do anything about this was Obama and the NRA and their cronies made sure that was scuppered.
As you say, there is no need for many of the guns that people buy and they couldn't even put together legislation to stop the sales of them.
The trouble is, if everyone says "that's the way it is" then nothing will ever change. They may not be banned totally but at least they could be better regulated.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

To misquote 'every journey starts with a first step'

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why do sane Americans not just stop buying weapons? Just because we have a right to do or own something, and we might want to do or own that thing - that does make it the right thing to do or own.