Gun activists.

[Taz]

Just watched some of these nuters in I TV news.

the armoury the y have is scary.

threatening civil war if someone takes their toys away.

Wow.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I saw that as well. Utterly terrifying and a very good reason not to visit Virginia, ever. To have that mindset is something I just can not understand.

 

[patricks148]

thing that makes me laugh is they are only trying to limit to one purchase a month.... one guy when challenged, his defence was more die from heart disease than guns

 

[Robster59]

It's a mental thing, built into the psyche and fuelled by testosterone. The NRA has far too much power in US politics (as does religion but that's a separate discussion).
Still I think one of the best arguments against guns (warning, strong language) ....

 

[Swango1980]

Yeah, Jim Jeffries stand up routine of the subject is first class

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Since they choose to NOT ammend their constitution, that's America for ya

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I own eight firearms, none of the para-military variety, and I can tell you with confidence that there were some serious nutcases in Virginia last night.

Not my mates, folks. I just liked to punch holes in paper targets when I was young.

However, UK citizens don't seem to understand that private ownership of firearms in the United States cannot be ended by statute.
It's a constitutionally guaranteed right, would require a constitutional amendment, and in today's polarized America, any amendment of any kind is impossible.
The government of the United States would literally have to be forcibly overthrown to take away private firearms ownership.

We don't have that many stabbings and bludgeonings, though, so there's that.

I'm surprised that UK citizens feel so strongly about it, though. It's a cultural thing. American grannies carry pistols in their shoulder bags.
That's just the way it is.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

We don't have that many stabbings and bludgeonings, though, so there's that.

I'm surprised that UK citizens feel so strongly about it, though. It's a cultural thing. American grannies carry pistols in their shoulder bags.
That's just the way it is.

I bet though that just 1 American city has more shootings than the whole of the UK has stabbings.
I also remember an article a few years ago, that said more New York policemen were shot by their own comrades than baddies.

Perhaps many in the UK feel this way because we see it as a stupid thing to allow, and something that could be changed if the will was there but won't be changed because it isn't.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I bet though that just 1 American city has more shootings than the whole of the UK has stabbings.
I also remember an article a few years ago, that said more New York policemen were shot by their own comrades than baddies.

Perhaps many in the UK feel this way because we see it as a stupid thing to allow, and something that could be changed if the will was there but won't be changed because it isn't.

You could have as many privately owned firearms as we do, with far fewer people, and you'd still not have nearly the same number of shootings.
Our nation was populated largely by people unwelcome in the lands of their origin. We are very diverse, and we don't all like one another.
Americans cap each others asses. Sadly, it's just what we do.

We didn't leave your great commonwealth with horses and swords. Our nation was born with muskets, and we've been shooting ever since.
It's in our DNA. No guns. No America.

I'm no gun nut, and I've never aimed a weapon of mine at a living creature of any species. Yet even I would find your guns laws inappropriate for a free nation.
That's only because I think as an American.

 

[Robster59]

I own eight firearms, none of the para-military variety, and I can tell you with confidence that there were some serious nutcases in Virginia last night.

Not my mates, folks. I just liked to punch holes in paper targets when I was young.

However, UK citizens don't seem to understand that private ownership of firearms in the United States cannot be ended by statute.
It's a constitutionally guaranteed right, would require a constitutional amendment, and in today's polarized America, any amendment of any kind is impossible.
The government of the United States would literally have to be forcibly overthrown to take away private firearms ownership.

We don't have that many stabbings and bludgeonings, though, so there's that.

I'm surprised that UK citizens feel so strongly about it, though. It's a cultural thing. American grannies carry pistols in their shoulder bags.
That's just the way it is.

I suppose we feel that strongly about it as innocent people get gunned down BECAUSE the guns are readily accessible, and the solution? More guns. We had a mass shooting in Dunblane and made changes to our legislation as a result.
Article on legislation post Dunblane massacre
Not one bit of legislation changed in America as a result of the numerous massacres.
Lets get down to it. People don't want to give up their guns because they like guns. There just isn't the will to change and innocent people will continue to die and massacres will continue as well.

And a free nation is knowing that I have little chance of being shot on the street. A policeman with a gun is a rare thing which is also good. No "accidental" shootings. I consider not having guns to be a greater freedom than having them.

 

[patricks148]

I own eight firearms, none of the para-military variety, and I can tell you with confidence that there were some serious nutcases in Virginia last night.

Not my mates, folks. I just liked to punch holes in paper targets when I was young.

However, UK citizens don't seem to understand that private ownership of firearms in the United States cannot be ended by statute.
It's a constitutionally guaranteed right, would require a constitutional amendment, and in today's polarized America, any amendment of any kind is impossible.
The government of the United States would literally have to be forcibly overthrown to take away private firearms ownership.

We don't have that many stabbings and bludgeonings, though, so there's that.

I'm surprised that UK citizens feel so strongly about it, though. It's a cultural thing. American grannies carry pistols in their shoulder bags.
That's just the way it is.

not sure thats true.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I suppose we feel that strongly about it as innocent people get gunned down BECAUSE the guns are readily accessible, and the solution? More guns. .... I consider not having guns to be a greater freedom than having them.

That's a perfectly reasonable attitude.
You're not American. The right to bear arms was never your birthright by virtue of your nation's founding document.

It would of course be difficult for you to understand. But giving up rights that you consider to be birthrights is something you can probably understand.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The right to Bear Arms

 

[Robster59]

That's a perfectly reasonable attitude.
You're not American. The right to bear arms was never your birthright by virtue of your nation's founding document.

It would of course be difficult for you to understand. But giving up rights that you consider to be birthrights is something you can probably understand.

That you would hold on to that so dearly, irrespective of the cost on human life, is something I find extremely hard to understand.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

That you would hold on to that so dearly irrespective of the cost on human life is something I find extremely hard to understand.

It's just a shame the constitution cannot be, and has never been, amended ... hold on a minute...

 

[patricks148]

That's a perfectly reasonable attitude.
You're not American. The right to bear arms was never your birthright by virtue of your nation's founding document.

It would of course be difficult for you to understand. But giving up rights that you consider to be birthrights is something you can probably understand.

shirley the whole point of that clause was whenit was written you were or had just fought a war of Indenpendance..... are you still doing that???

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

It's just a shame the constitution cannot be, and has never been, amended ... hold on a minute...

Our Constitution has been amended many times.
It won't be amended for a long, long time, not because it's very difficult to do (which it is) but because Americans today reach consensus on nothing.

First, just proposing an amendment would require passage in both legislative chambers PLUS the president's signature.
Then, two thirds of our state legislatures would have to agree to it

Do you have any idea how impossible that would be right now?

Coastal America and Interior America might as well be two different continents, maybe planets.
We haven't been this polarized since our civil war in the 1860s.
It's a small miracle that we're not in civil was right now!

We certainly have enough civilian owned guns to do it.

 

[Swango1980]

You could have as many privately owned firearms as we do, with far fewer people, and you'd still not have nearly the same number of shootings.
Our nation was populated largely by people unwelcome in the lands of their origin. We are very diverse, and we don't all like one another.
Americans cap each others asses. Sadly, it's just what we do.

We didn't leave your great commonwealth with horses and swords. Our nation was born with muskets, and we've been shooting ever since.
It's in our DNA. No guns. No America.

I'm no gun nut, and I've never aimed a weapon of mine at a living creature of any species. Yet even I would find your guns laws inappropriate for a free nation.
That's only because I think as an American.

Interesting comments in bold above. Are these your arguments to continue to have the right to have guns? Because that's what American's do shoot each other? I guess that enforces the stereotype that Americans are idiots (which I would like to NOT believe by the way)?

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I guess that enforces the stereotype that Americans are idiots (which I would like to NOT believe by the way)?

I'm afraid that you can be quite comfortable in that belief/stereotype.
Did you notice that Donald Trump is our president?

 

[Swango1980]

I'm afraid that you can be quite comfortable in that belief/stereotype.
Did you notice that Donald Trump is our president?

It didn't go unnoticed.