GP scores entered on courses not measured

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My club has not been using the Active Markers for each day on the WHS portal, which can block general play scores being entered on certain courses when not measured.
Unfortunately, many GP scores have gone through on the MyEG App in the past winter months and the club are reluctant to delete these scores.
Has this problem happened elsewhere? Does anyone know the correct action to take?

 

[wjemather]

My club has not been using the Active Markers for each day on the WHS portal, which can block general play scores being entered on certain courses when not measured.
Unfortunately, many GP scores have gone through on the MyEG App in the past winter months and the club are reluctant to delete these scores.
Has this problem happened elsewhere? Does anyone know the correct action to take?

We had similar with a local club last winter where scores had been submitted from wrong tee markers which had not been switched off. The club had to go through and correct them all.

Your club must do similarly and remediate all scores by deleting or marking them as match play (makes them ineligible for the HI calculation). Note: deleting doesn't prevent resubmission via MyEG.
If in doubt, the club should contact their county handicap advisor who will tell them the same!

 

[Colin L]

Do you mean these rounds have been played on a measured course which over the winter has been shortened too much for acceptable scores? If so, the club should most certainly delete the scores.

 

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Do you mean these rounds have been played on a measured course which over the winter has been shortened too much for acceptable scores? If so, the club should most certainly delete the scores.

Yes the courses were shortened too much. I was pretty sure they had to be deleted, thanks. Also inform the players too I assume.

 

[Billysboots]

My understanding is that the scores will be unacceptable and should be deleted. Your club should have disabled/switched off access for members to submit such scores. Ours, and all clubs local to me, did just that at the end of October or early November, in the knowledge that members would not be playing measured courses during the winter months.

 

[NearHull]

The advice from your area handicap advisor would be for the club to switch them over to matchplay as /wjemather points out.

 

[jim8flog]

Realisticly if the club was going to shorten the course for a long period of time they should notify County and adjust the Course rating accordingly
Reference Rules of Handicapping Appendix G

 

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How far back must my club go to delete unacceptable scores. This issue has been going on for months with many GP scores not qualifying?

Also, did EG instruct or advise clubs to switch off non qualifying tee markers at any time?

 

[wjemather]

How far back must my club go to delete unacceptable scores. This issue has been going on for months with many GP scores not qualifying?

Also, did EG instruct or advise clubs to switch off non qualifying tee markers at any time?

All of them must be removed.

Yes, EG have repeatedly communicated the need for clubs to switch off tee markers that are not in use or when the course is not acceptable for handicapping.

 

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   Yes, EG have repeatedly communicated the need for clubs to switch off tee markers that are not in use or when the course is not acceptable for handicapping.

   But not mandatory though, would make sense to me if it was.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How far back must my club go to delete unacceptable scores. This issue has been going on for months with many GP scores not qualifying?

Also, did EG instruct or advise clubs to switch off non qualifying tee markers at any time?

Effectively, they are all worthless, pie in the sky. They can't just leave some because it's a bit of a faff. It's the equivalent of golfers playing off the red tees and them being entered as off the whites. They all have to go.

 

[wjemather]

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   But not mandatory though, would make sense to me if it was.

What isn't mandatory? Switching off the tee markers? No, but a club/committee failing to do so risks creating extra remediation work for themselves.

 

[doublebogey7]

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   But not mandatory though, would make sense to me if it was.

Scores are only acceptable for handicapping if the round has been played from a measured course, that is mandatory. If the club chooses not to switch off tee markers when they should be doing they are just making work for themselves. I am not sure adding mandatory to advice given by EG would add anything given there can be no sanction for not doing so.

 

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What isn't mandatory? Switching off the tee markers? No, but a club/committee failing to do so risks creating extra remediation work for themselves.

Thanks for all the info.
Guessing you were expecting this? Not much I can do really.
The club recognises the mistake and now switch off non qualifying courses.
But…..all illegitimate scores remain!!

 

[wjemather]

Thanks for all the info.
Guessing you were expecting this? Not much I can do really.
The club recognises the mistake and now switch off non qualifying courses.
But…..all illegitimate scores remain!!

If the club are aware that the scores must be removed and are refusing, it should be escalated to county who will reaffirm what needs to be done and provide any assistance necessary.

 

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If the club are aware that the scores must be removed and are refusing, it should be escalated to county who will reaffirm what needs to be done and provide any assistance necessary.

Just want to approach this issue in a clear way.

With NO tee markers switched off:
The club website says “Course Status: Green tees are set up for WHS qualifying cards today.”

So, if members/visitors, bypass the pro shop, submit scores on the MyEG App from other tee markers (white, yellow or red) their Handicap Index will be updated accordingly without the clubs knowledge.

Then someone (me) spots scores wrongly entered on the non qualifying courses. Informs the club of such, who then choose not to delete these scores.

Does this mean the players who either did not see the website message or took no notice will have a Handicap Index adjustment that is not valid until it is corrected?

 

[wjemather]

Just want to approach this issue in a clear way.

With NO tee markers switched off:
The club website says “Course Status: Green tees are set up for WHS qualifying cards today.”

So, if members/visitors, bypass the pro shop, submit scores on the MyEG App from other tee markers (white, yellow or red) their Handicap Index will be updated accordingly without the clubs knowledge.

Then someone (me) spots scores wrongly entered on the non qualifying courses. Informs the club of such, who then choose not to delete these scores.

Does this mean the players who either did not see the website message or took no notice will have a Handicap Index adjustment that is not valid until it is corrected?

Again, the club MUST remediate all scores. If they are refusing, county should be informed so the club can be (re-)educated in their responsibilities.

Handicaps are valid and whatever the system says they are, regardless of any discrepancies. However, players have the responsibility to inform the committee in charge of any competition of any discrepancies with their handicap record so that Playing Handicaps may be adjusted if necessary.

 

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Again, the club MUST remediate all scores. If they are refusing, county should be informed so the club can be (re-)educated in their responsibilities.

Handicaps are valid and whatever the system says they are, regardless of any discrepancies. However, players have the responsibility to inform the committee in charge of any competition of any discrepancies with their handicap record so that Playing Handicaps may be adjusted if necessary.

Thanks, that is interesting, as some scores played on a non qualifying course are for a members Initial Handicap.

 

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I am struggling with wjemather saying ‘Handicaps are valid whatever the system says they are, regardless of any discrepancies.’

To obtain an initial Handicap Index, a player must submit acceptable scores from a minimum of 54 holes.

So, if these 54 holes are played on a non qualifying course and the club decides to do nothing, it is breaking the rules and must mean the allocated Handicap Index is not valid?

 

[D-S]

I am struggling with wjemather saying ‘Handicaps are valid whatever the system says they are, regardless of any discrepancies.’

To obtain an initial Handicap Index, a player must submit acceptable scores from a minimum of 54 holes.

So, if these 54 holes are played on a non qualifying course and the club decides to do nothing, it is breaking the rules and must mean the allocated Handicap Index is not valid?

The club has issued a Handicap, so it is valid. It is on the system.
Unfortunately the club has not followed the rules and in due course, the handicap will be withdrawn or altered.
As far as the player and the system is concerned their handicap is valid until the club does something about it.
The player can’t adjust or withdraw their own handicap, only the club, county or EG can do this.
This is why the club need to sort this out ASAP.