golf disciplinary procedures ????

[spudgun007]

Hi.
this is my first post, just wondered if there were any golf committee members out there who can give a little advice.

We had a member 4 years ago who made threats of violence,
long story short, the committee held a hearing the committee did include people he had threatened. he was given a life ban which we called sien die, which was we thought meant for life.
well it does not mean for life anyway the man has now sent a letter in asking to rejoin, there are members of our committee that would want him back in the club.
can any one advise

 

[Parmo]

Its you isnt it?

 

[spudgun007]

No it was not me, I was one of the people he threatened.

 

[HTL]

Why has he been asked back? I would hate to feel threatened in a place I pay lots of money for and use to relax.

 

[Parmo]

Just have him wacked (Mafia style).

 

[heathcliffe]

The literal meaning of the latin phrase "Sine die" is without a specified date.In our local football circles if a player is banned sine die it means he aint ever going to play in this town again.
Lets hope if the miscreants threats were of such magnitude then he should not be welcomed back ,it would make a laughing stock of the previous disciplinary actions.

 

[viscount17]

Interesting one.
The courts can't lock anyone up 'sine die' (at Her Majesty's pleasure) nowadays so presumably an unlimited ban could be challenged in the European Court. That said, as it is a private club presumably there would be no obligation to take him back.

 

[clubchamp07]

All Golf clubs are different. As for legal casses taken against club's forget it. Golf Clubs are a law onto themselves. Good luck.

 

[GB72]

Agreed, the law has no real bearing on a private members club. Equally, the translation of the wording of the ban I would have thought has little affect as well. I am sure that there are provisions for the committee to lift a ban as well as impose one so would suggest that if they want this person back then they can do so.
Would suggest that all those who were threatend put forward their intention to leave if this person is invited back. A strong financial threat is often more effective than a legal one.

 

[SammmeBee]

I am sure if enough people (as opposed to just one) objected to him being let back in the Committee might reconsider their rashness?

 

[pjaz]

The literal meaning of the latin phrase "Sine die" is without a specified date.In our local football circles if a player is banned sine die it means he aint ever going to play in this town again.
Lets hope if the miscreants threats were of such magnitude then he should not be welcomed back ,it would make a laughing stock of the previous disciplinary actions.

Not an expert, but given the meaning of Sine Die above, as he hasn't got a specified end date for a ban he may be free to apply to see if he can be re-considered, but equally because the club don't have an end date to the ban they can just say no as they haven't left themselves open to taking him back by specifying a certain date a ban ends. Does that makes sense? In effect, the club have left the end date open so it could be one year or 100 years if there is support to maintain it.

 

[TonyN]

Surley his application will be put on the club notice board, if more than a couple of people reject it, wont that be enough to not have him back???

 

[Greenkeeper]

Hi spud gun

This sort of conduct does go on and sadly committee members have no expertise in legal matters, they can know as much about greenkeeping as they do legalities.
Anyway, the person with the expertise should be the Secretary Manager, he should also inform the solicitor to make sure the legalities are in order. I have never known a member being suspended or banned without the consultation and agreement from the club solicitor.
The club should to be aware that, by law they have a ‘duty of care’ to all members’ visitors and staff. This includes bullying and harassment. Thankfully this is taken very seriously nowadays, and if your club don’t handle it correctly they could be liable.

I wish you luck, or a big pay out!!

 

[theeaglehunter]

if your club do want him back and fail to listen to you or other people who were threatened, tell them that you will consult police advice on how to proceed (despite the fact that the police would do bugger all anyway) and in future ignore the clubs disciplinary system and go straight to the police, and inform them that you have been threatened. This will most porbably worry the club enough so that they don't accept his application as the problems bad publicity could cause them would not be worth the risk of them re-admitting the offender.

 

[John_Findlay]

Write to your comittee telling them that you object to him being allowed to rejoin and if possible list other members who object, too. The committee is voted on to reflect the wishes of the members. Just politely remind them of their duty to do so.