Gimmie putts in Match play - issues

[mikseymono]

Hi team!

So, played a few rounds last week in a mini Rydercup stylee thing. We had a few areas that I thought were interesting and seek further advice.

1 - If you give someone a 2 ft putt and they decide to putt it and miss, this is just bad etiquette right? and they do not loose the hole

2 - If your oppo has two putts on a similar line, one, 6 ft away for a birdie and win, whilst the other is 15ft from a hole and maybe for a half. We had a situation were I picked up the ball and gave them the 15ft putt, but they wanted to putt it anyway to see the line.

So hive mind....a penny for your thoughts..............personally I thought I was a bit un sporty but we were having such a tight match and the rules were being tested on every hole...they even hit my playing partners buggy roof on a par three, when he was parked up near the green and wanted to retake the shot.....

Cheers,

M

 

[rulefan]

1) Correct

2) This decision covers it.

2-4/6 Putting Out After Concession of Stroke

Rule 2-4 does not cover the question of whether a player may putt out after his next stroke has been conceded. A player incurs no penalty for holing out in such circumstances. However, if the act would be of assistance to a partner in a four-ball or best-ball match, the partner is, in equity (Rule 1-4), disqualified for the hole.

 

[full_throttle]

1, Yes, once a putt is conceded that's the hole over

2, having conceded the 15ft putt the 6ft putt should have been played, before the practice putt

this is how I would expect it to be

 

[mikseymono]

This was my thoughts for 2...but they insisted on putting it first, to assist the potential winning putt...hence I just picked it up and gave it to them....to they had to putt the shortest putt and then, if they wanted practise the longer putt........which they didn't do...as they missed the short one and then were a bit miffed...and then we had 'Buggygate' on the next hole....

M

 

[Old Skier]

The buggygate incident allowed the opposition to replay the shot.

http://www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/...-By-Opponent-Caddie-or-Equipment-in-Matchplay

 

[Hosel Fade]

1) Concessions are binding, no taking them back

2) If the 15' is putted and on a similar line to the 6' where it would help, then the ball lying 6' is de facto DQd from the hole

The buggy is equipment and balls deflected by the opponents equipment may be replayed, they also have the choice of taking the result of the deflected shot if they want.

 

[mikseymono]

Hosel Fade...are you suggesting they can't putt the 15' ball then if I give it to them? This:
2-4/6 Putting Out After Concession of Stroke

Rule 2-4 does not cover the question of whether a player may putt out after his next stroke has been conceded. A player incurs no penalty for holing out in such circumstances. However, if the act would be of assistance to a partner in a four-ball or best-ball match, the partner is, in equity (Rule 1-4), disqualified for the hole.


Guess I was right all along..............

M

 

[guest100718]

Hosel Fade...are you suggesting they can't putt the 15' ball then if I give it to them? This:
2-4/6 Putting Out After Concession of Stroke

Rule 2-4 does not cover the question of whether a player may putt out after his next stroke has been conceded. A player incurs no penalty for holing out in such circumstances. However, if the act would be of assistance to a partner in a four-ball or best-ball match, the partner is, in equity (Rule 1-4), disqualified for the hole.


Guess I was right all along..............

M

Er.. it was answered in post 2

 

[Region3]

Guess I was right all along..............

But not about the buggy

 

[North Mimms]

I've given someone a long putt for a half just as you did, and she also wanted to still take it to show her partner the line
Er, no. That's why I've given you the putt!

 

[Kellfire]

If the 15' putt was the furthest away, they could elect the 6' putt to go first. It's their prerogative.

Can the opposing team concede the longer putt, even if they had elected to take the 6' first?

 

[Foxholer]

Can the opposing team concede the longer putt, even if they had elected to take the 6' first?

Yes!

Though there IS a potential pitfall! If the guy taking the 6-footer (for win) makes a complete hash of it - racing it 6 feet by for example, then the (small) chance of winning the hole from the situation is lost. It really depends on whether you think the 15-footer's putt will actually show the line and whether his partner will be able to use that info!

 

[rulefan]

Can the opposing team concede the longer putt, even if they had elected to take the 6' first?

Yes.
A player may concede a hole at any time prior to the start or conclusion of that hole.

A player may concede his opponent's next stroke at any time, provided the opponent's ball is at rest.

 

[dufferman]

Can a player / team not take a concession?

As in, could the player have said "no thanks I don't want you to give this putt to me"?

 

[rulie]

Can a player / team not take a concession?

As in, could the player have said "no thanks I don't want you to give this putt to me"?

Rule 2-4 (concessions) clearly states "A concession may not be declined or withdrawn."

 

[mikseymono]

But the thing is....if you concede the long putt...can they putt it out before the short putt to show them the line? This is what was happening to us. I was conceding the long putt by picking it up and giving it to them...then they put it down to practise and show the line.................mmmmmm

M

 

[rulefan]

But the thing is....if you concede the long putt...can they putt it out before the short putt to show them the line? This is what was happening to us. I was conceding the long putt by picking it up and giving it to them...then they put it down to practise and show the line.................mmmmmm

M

They cannot putt if it would show their partner the line. I thought the decision I quoted earlier in post #2 made it clear.

2-4/6 Putting Out After Concession of Stroke

Rule 2-4 does not cover the question of whether a player may putt out after his next stroke has been conceded. A player incurs no penalty for holing out in such circumstances. However, if the act would be of assistance to a partner in a four-ball or best-ball match, the partner is, in equity (Rule 1-4), disqualified for the hole.


The player's conceded score stands.

 

[Hosel Fade]

But the thing is....if you concede the long putt...can they putt it out before the short putt to show them the line? This is what was happening to us. I was conceding the long putt by picking it up and giving it to them...then they put it down to practise and show the line.................mmmmmm

M

No they can't, doing so would forfeit the shorter ball on the same line.

 

[mikseymono]

well, well, there you go, that clears all that up then!

Cheers,

M