jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
What conditions would make you think a course is 'not fit for acceptable scores'?
Most courses would simply go to an unacceptable number of temp greens so that scores cannot be submitted anyway.
General Play scores in winter at your club
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What conditions would make you think a course is 'not fit for acceptable scores'?
Most courses would simply go to an unacceptable number of temp greens so that scores cannot be submitted anyway.
wjemather
Well-known member
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yes. Surrey.
And for times when conditions are very wet underfoot and we are put onto forward tees, we have had a 'Winter' course playing off very forward tees measured and rated so that we can continue to put in cards for handicap - my understanding is that this was done as a very much shortened course relative to normal tees would be non-compliant.
And for times when conditions are very wet underfoot and we are put onto forward tees, we have had a 'Winter' course playing off very forward tees measured and rated so that we can continue to put in cards for handicap - my understanding is that this was done as a very much shortened course relative to normal tees would be non-compliant.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I am curious - when you say you cannot enter a GP card - how is this prevented, in the age of MyEG app and so on?
I ask because the course I played at the weekend was set up extremely short on the yellow tees, but it was still available to select in the app to put a card in.
I ask because the course I played at the weekend was set up extremely short on the yellow tees, but it was still available to select in the app to put a card in.
IanMcC
Well-known member
No.
North Wales
Qualifiers close 2nd week in October and reopen last week in March, weather permitting.
Preferred lies entire GA, rake and place in bunkers, course shortened too much, mudballs a-plenty, waterlogged bunkers.
Anyone wanting to submit a qualifying card under these conditions is either a loony or a manipulator, or maybe even a loony manipulator.
North Wales
Qualifiers close 2nd week in October and reopen last week in March, weather permitting.
Preferred lies entire GA, rake and place in bunkers, course shortened too much, mudballs a-plenty, waterlogged bunkers.
Anyone wanting to submit a qualifying card under these conditions is either a loony or a manipulator, or maybe even a loony manipulator.
woofers
Medal Winner
From England Golf Adverse / Extreme Weather Guidance:
Within the WHS Portal, clubs must switch on and off available tee sets as required. This functionality will stop scores being submitted from general play rounds (when using the MyEG app), and must be used when it is not possible to present the course in a suitable condition for scores to be returned for handicap purposes.
So the club need to take some action to disable the facility, it’s very straightforward to do.
Link to guidance document:
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MACM85
Newbie
At my club you can't use the EG app to do a scorecard. You have to use the terminal in the pro shop to sign in for the scorecard and return the card marked to the pro shop/box for the handicap secretary to review.
Swango1980
Well-known member
The technical answer is probably yes. We put in a new set of Orange tees a couple of years ago, for winter golf. Rated, so scores can be submitted for handicap.
However, it is the winter in which the club do a lot of major works on the course. So, certainly for the last 3 or so years, we have not been able to submit cards. Too many holes would be on temp greens, big yardage changes to measured course, etc.
That being said, so far this year we can still put in cards. And I'm not sure there are any major works planned (drainage works postponed this year), so weather permitting, it might be the first time in a while that we can put in scores for handicap through the winter.
However, it is the winter in which the club do a lot of major works on the course. So, certainly for the last 3 or so years, we have not been able to submit cards. Too many holes would be on temp greens, big yardage changes to measured course, etc.
That being said, so far this year we can still put in cards. And I'm not sure there are any major works planned (drainage works postponed this year), so weather permitting, it might be the first time in a while that we can put in scores for handicap through the winter.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
The club can set the course to be be able to enter GP cards
And also the next day any cards entered if they haven’t done that can be deleted
D-S
Well-known member
Are you sure? because they need to have the tees ‘switched on’ in the portal to allow them to enable using the terminal.
Is it that the club tells members not to enter cards via the App? However visitors still can.
It’s easy to check just see if the tees are available on the EG App.
woofers
Medal Winner
Hmmm, I recall switching off the tees in the WHS portal but one of our competitions was still set up as ‘acceptable’ on IG and the scores got uploaded. I had to delete them from the players WHS record. I don’t think there is a ‘check’ or read between IG and WHS. (We have never switched on the GP scores facility in IG).
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
One of the problems I see with this is that play starts around an hour+ before anybody with access to the portal/IG admin starts work.
Mind you the course manager may well have closed the course in extreme weather circumstances at 6 am.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Given the number of GP scores most days at our club (40+) last time I checked I cannot see our club doing this. Also when this all came in I checked with the county handicap rep and he said we do not need to check every card and to just do a random sample.
I play in one swindle of up to 20 players, virtually everybody puts in a GP score every week and only a couple do it via the PSI screen. I know I try to get those to switch to the EG app to save the office work.
When I was handicap committee chair I never checked GP/ Supplementary score cards, that was always seen as an office function.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
How can the club stop people using the EG app ?
wjemather
Well-known member
Clubs must not disable tee markers on the WHS Platform (for MyEG) when scores are acceptable for handicapping.
wjemather
Well-known member
Not really much of a problem, even if the club can't find a way of disabling tee markers before play starts.
Most people will have enough sense not to pre-register for the GP score, and the small number of intents created by those that don't can quickly and easily be deleted by an admin.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Sounds great, but simply not practical at our place to ask greenkeepers to have a course acceptable for GP scores from Nov to March. Without that stipulation, keeping course open for some sort of recreational play is achievable - weather permitting. Happy with that.
MACM85
Newbie
I think it stemmed from a group of ex members putting fake cards in when not playing the course so they have withdrawn the White, Yellow and Red Tee's being signed in on the EG app. You have to do it via the terminal within the club ahead of the round.
MACM85
Newbie
You can't enter a card via the EG app. You can sign in on any of the tee's via the terminal at the club for scorecard. This is the same for members and visitors.
JonnyGutteridge
Newbie
Our Navy’s (backs) were initially taken away a few weeks ago, and navy’s removed from the handicap system, as they often get moved up on some holes through winter anyway.
They’ve now put the navy’s back out, but as they can be moved forward on some holes, you still can’t enter a score from the navy’s.
reds/silvers(yellows) can still be qualifiers.
I assume EG has issued some guidance on this as it hasn't come up in previous winters.
They’ve now put the navy’s back out, but as they can be moved forward on some holes, you still can’t enter a score from the navy’s.
reds/silvers(yellows) can still be qualifiers.
I assume EG has issued some guidance on this as it hasn't come up in previous winters.
