From the R&A web site

[HomerJSimpson]

I think the OP needs to be taken in a wider perspective. In an ideal world we'd all get round in these prescribed times but you get a monthly medal where there is a need to hit a provisional look for the ball (and having to wait for the group you've called through to play all the way thorugh) and a desire to get as many members onto the course in a diminishing timeframe (its getting darker earlier and not as light in the morning) and its not always a reality.

I do find it a tad patronising for the R&A to deliver this message when the guys at the top of the game clearly don't adhere to the same rules and ideals.

I think (hope) that the vast majority on here are aware of their own responsibilities on the course and make sure they are ready to go as soon as it is their turn. I see no reason not to have a pre-shot routine as long as its carried out as others are playing (within reason of course). We are acutely aware of letting others through and simple things like putting bags in the correct place and not marking cards on greens. Sadly not everyone is as diligent and until the culprits (usually the older generation set in their ways) are re-educated or move on then I don't see how clubs can tackle the problem and balance the business needs of allowing as many people to play and keeping the course moving

 

[Pants]

Sadly not everyone is as diligent and until the culprits (usually the older generation set in their ways) are re-educated or move on then I don't see how clubs can tackle the problem .....

What absolute generalising ageist twaddle

I thought that public sector workers were meant to have been educated out of all the 'isms and 'ists. You should be ashamed of yourself.

As I am currently (ahem) between jobs, I do get out for a game now and again during the day playing on public pay and play courses where the majority of players are retired. They may not be the fastest walkers on a golf course but they do go straight to their ball which is usually abut 150 - 180 yds off the tee, middle of the fairway, give it a whack and carry on walking.

The rest of us try to knock the cover off the ball and may hit it 100 yds further than the seniors but then spend time looking for it.

Grow up mate and get rid of your prejudices. Just accept the fact that a lot of slow play is caused by people like us and our playing partners who hit the ball into the rough, take ages on a pre-shot routine, etc, etc. Don't blame seniors and ladies all the time.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

When you step down off your soapbox and take your medication I was actually implying that you don't see the juniors dither around and at no point did I mention women at all. The women in my club are on the whole very, very good at letting singletons and quicker groups through although like every section there are bad as well as good

I don't see what my profession has to do with anything and perhaps your time would be better suited to finding gainful employment than playing golf and barking out a lot of hackneyed cliches about political correctness which adds nothing to the thread.

I actually agree that the retired generation are normally straight down the middle but a lot of these guys want the same tee time every week (almost to the second) and will steadfastly refuse to let quicker groups through. We have a small roll up greedy of about 12-16 retired folk who always tee off at 9.00 on a Tuesday and Thursday. If you go out as a two ball and get stuck behind them they will not let you through under any circumstance even though they can see the course beginning to stack up behind. Where is the common sense in that?

 

[Pants]

When you step down off your soapbox and take your medication I was actually implying that you don't see the juniors dither around and at no point did I mention women at all. The women in my club are on the whole very, very good at letting singletons and quicker groups through although like every section there are bad as well as good

I don't see what my profession has to do with anything and perhaps your time would be better suited to finding gainful employment than playing golf and barking out a lot of hackneyed cliches about political correctness which adds nothing to the thread.

I actually agree that the retired generation are normally straight down the middle but a lot of these guys want the same tee time every week (almost to the second) and will steadfastly refuse to let quicker groups through. We have a small roll up greedy of about 12-16 retired folk who always tee off at 9.00 on a Tuesday and Thursday. If you go out as a two ball and get stuck behind them they will not let you through under any circumstance even though they can see the course beginning to stack up behind. Where is the common sense in that?

I hope that you don't mind if I respond to a few of you comments.

I don't need a soapbox to look down on pr@ts such as you.

I only need my medication when responding to -do-.

We get juniors who are often good golfers playing on the public courses and, I assume, because they watch the pro's antics they are slower than most with their pre-shot routines - putting glove on, throwing grass into the air, selecting club although they have been by their ball for several minutes while their partners carry out similar routines, etc

Looking back through your historic postings you have often complained about seniors and women.

Many posts in this thread have been in relation to competition play rather than general play where singletons or pairs are mixed in with 3 or 4 balls.

"although like every section there are bad as well as good" now backtracking.

"I actually agree that the retired generation are normally straight down the middle" -do-.

"but a lot of these guys want the same tee time every week (almost to the second) and will steadfastly refuse to let quicker groups through. We have a small roll up greedy of about 12-16 retired folk who always tee off at 9.00 on a Tuesday and Thursday. If you go out as a two ball and get stuck behind ...." Get up in the morning and tee of at 8.50 then if you know they always book to the second.

"even though they can see the course beginning to stack up behind" You must play on a cr@p course if you can see 4, 5 or 6 groups behind you.

"perhaps your time would be better suited to finding gainful employment than playing golf " Be very, very careful mate. You have absolutely no idea what my given profession is or what I am currently doing "between jobs".

"barking out a lot of hackneyed cliches about political correctness which adds nothing to the thread." Just mentioning your ageist views that you quickly backtracked on

For the attn of The Mods

Can we move this to the "Bickering" section where we can really have some fun.

 

[CliveW]

Unless you only allow people on a course who are under 40, have a sub 20 handicap and make all courses uniformed in length and difficulty, you cannot identify how long it should take to play a round.

I will never see my 40s again and object to this ageist remark! I generally find it is the younger generation who take too long over shots, taking too many practice swings, waiting until the group in front is well out of the way and then hitting their balls short, not to mention how long they take over putts!
Perhaps they are trying to emulate their golfing heros that they see on TV, but they should realise that they're not all Tiger Woods.
Incidentally I don't like slow play either, and four hours is too long IMHO.

 

[JustOne]

6 hours is a nice day out for me. Generally I spend two of those hours repairing pitchmarks left behind by the seniors who can't see them (so the guy told me whom I played with yesterday). He tried to impress me by repairing ONE.. well pretending to.

IMHO the info from the PGA site is a total farce. This one cracks me up... "The rough for daily play should be of such a length so as to avoid numerous lost balls."... I'll make a point of telling the greenkeepers next time out. Perhaps they could cut down a few trees whilst they're at it,... and make the holes bigger.

 

[clubchamp07]

We introduced a ranger on the course this year on Saturday afternoon's. Some people hate seeing the ranger comming, others have said its a great idea. I think a good ranger shouldn't even have to speak to people, by just arriving on the hole the said 4ball is, is enough. Whenever we sign in to the computer it records the time. So if I'm teeing off at 10 am I sign in at 9.55, I then return my card at 14.15, that should be ok. I know there are guys who sign in long before they are due to play for some reason, but M&H can look into this and do something about it.
Apart from taking guys onto the coure and holding their hands all the way round there isn't a simple answer.
IMO, the art of calling people through, died years ago.

 

[USER1999]

Pants, I have no idea what you do for a living either, but can I make a guess?

Are you an assasin?

It would tie in with being 'between jobs'.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

We get juniors who are often good golfers playing on the public courses and, I assume, because they watch the pro's antics they are slower than most with their pre-shot routines - putting glove on, throwing grass into the air, selecting club although they have been by their ball for several minutes while their partners carry out similar routines, etc

Simple - get the taught better at an early age. Most of ours even the very good ones (low single figures) hit it and chase after it

Looking back through your historic postings you have often complained about seniors and women.

Many posts in this thread have been in relation to competition play rather than general play where singletons or pairs are mixed in with 3 or 4 balls.

Our course lets you roll up and go out being a private club so we do get a mixture of groups

"although like every section there are bad as well as good" now backtracking. Backtracking where?

"I actually agree that the retired generation are normally straight down the middle" They are - I've always said I'd prefer a low handicapper than an 18-20 old boy in any matchplay event

"even though they can see the course beginning to stack up behind" You must play on a [course if you can see 4, 5 or 6 groups behind you. I think you'll find those have played it think its actually a decent course. Its only 5 years old but coming on nicely thank you. For reference the 7th tees off parallel to the 3rd and you can see back to the 2nd so it becomes obvious that traffic is building

"perhaps your time would be better suited to finding gainful employment than playing golf " Be very, very careful mate. You have absolutely no idea what my given profession is or what I am currently doing "between jobs". Nor do you know fully what mine entails other than working for an NHS Trus so the same applies. Frankly I don't care what you do (or clearly don't)

"barking out a lot of hackneyed cliches about political correctness which adds nothing to the thread." Just mentioning your ageist views that you quickly backtracked on Not fussed about age at all. I'm playing this weekend with a number of retired gents in a medal and a mixed texas scramble. Another sweeping generilisation. My point was actually that these retired folk have earned the right to enjoy their retirement but still believe they should have the course to themselves


Can we move this to the "Bickering" section where we can really have some fun. You clearly reveal you desire to continue attacking things I write

Clearly you have a personal issue with me even though we have never met. Frankly I hope we never do as I don't like you and wouldn't care to spend anytime with you let alone on a golf course. I find your "banter" childish. You clearly have issues with what I write on here and as I can't be arsed to carry on further having reiterated my points I won't be responding to you replies as you seem incapable of posting anything golf related without the need to make it personal.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I was thinking village idiot and perhaps moving between villages

 

[mjsw13]

'You must play on a cr@p course if you can see 4, 5 or 6 groups behind you.'

What nonsense you talk Mr Skiddy Pants. I'm with Homer on this one, the NHS totally RAWKS, so jog on.

To lighten (and lower) the tone, here's a joke for y'all.

So a guy's promised his wife he'll cut down on the drinking. If he doesn't she says she'll leave him. But, one night after work he goes out, has a few, then a few more and a few more until, before you know it he's pissed and has been sick on himself. 'Don't worry' his mate says 'go and get £20 out of the cash point and show it to your wife when you get in. Tell her you went for a couple of drinks and some guy was sick on you but handed over £20 for the dry cleaning'. 'Genius!' The drunk says and goes off to get some money.
He walks in the door of his house, stinking of sick holding out £40. 'What's going on' his wife says, 'you said you were going to stop boozing and now you've come home stinking of beer and vomit. You obviously don't love me at all'.
'I only had a couple' he protests 'a guy in the pub who'd had too many was sick on me but look; he gave me £20 for the dry cleaning'.
His wife, starting to believe him, says 'what's the other £20 for?'
'That's for the shi.t he did in my pants'.

 

[Smiffy]

 

[Pants]

Pants, I have no idea what you do for a living either, but can I make a guess?

Are you an assasin?

It would tie in with being 'between jobs'.

Murph. If I told you that I would have to kill you

If you were to put the word "corporate" in you might be ever so slightly nearer the truth but there again assassin may not quite be the right word. I think that Consultant sits a bit better and covers a multitude of sins .

 

[SammmeBee]

Pants, I have no idea what you do for a living either, but can I make a guess?

Are you an assasin?

It would tie in with being 'between jobs'.

Murph. If I told you that I would have to kill you

If you were to put the word "corporate" in you might be ever so slightly nearer the truth but there again assassin may not quite be the right word. I think that Consultant sits a bit better and covers a multitude of sins .

A taste of your own medicine then at the moment?

 

[Smiffy]

Bouncer at Mothercare?

 

[Pants]

Do you know me then??

 

[Pants]

A taste of your own medicine then at the moment?

Looking good for the new year though

 

[Pants]

Homer

Against my better judgment, ....PM sent

 

[Smiffy]

Homer

Against my better judgment, ....PM sent

I'd rather it had gone to the "bicker" section.
At least we could have all seen what's going on

 

[Pants]

I'd rather it had gone to the "bicker" section.
At least we could have all seen what's going on

I tried to get it moved Smiffy but obviously the Mods thought otherwise .

To be fair to Homer, I won't detail my observations and suggestions made to him - unless of course he decides to kick it all off again