Foxhunting

[FairwayDodger]

And one imagines that in the long term, themselves in the foot. Duplicitous opportunists.

Sadly not, another masterstroke by them, I fear. The tories will beef up and force through EVEL, the SNP will play the victim and stir up even more anti-English feeling. The more cross-border strife they can provoke the better it suits them.

I'd hoped that some of my fellow citizens would note that Sturgeon has been revealed as a bare-faced liar on this issue and start to question her more closely but, sadly, that doesn't seem to have been the case.

 

[DCB]

Used to live on the outskirts of Edinburgh. We had problems with urban foxes and badgers and the damage they caused. Been out in the sticks for almost 20 years and other than in worst winter conditions our local foxes tend to keep themselves to themselves. Bigger problem is the local deer population which seem to want to eat anything that springs forth from the ground. Hard to regenerate woodland when all the saplings are got at by deer.

Whatever the animal, it's going to cause some damage or disturbance since we humans have managed to slowly spread ourselves over virtually every accessible piece of land. Often, we've moved onto their habitat. That does not however give us the right to exterminate the local wildlife on a whim. However, careful management is required or, as was seen in the bad winters of 2009 & 10 over population of certain local species does cause them hardship and in winters like those two, starvation and slow death. Without careful management that will happen again.

 

[c1973]

Sadly not, another masterstroke by them, I fear. The tories will beef up and force through EVEL, the SNP will play the victim and stir up even more anti-English feeling. The more cross-border strife they can provoke the better it suits them.

I'd hoped that some of my fellow citizens would note that Sturgeon has been revealed as a bare-faced liar on this issue and start to question her more closely but, sadly, that doesn't seem to have been the case.

Couldn't agree more.

Don't hold your breath waiting on the media up here to pick up on them being exposed as hypocrites and liars over this either, You'll be holding it awhile!



If I'm correct, they have just voted (did Labours couple of hundred votes not count btw) not to allow hunting foxy woxy with more than two dugs in England and Wales, yet currently preside over a law (and have done for a good few years) in Scotland that does allow hunting foxy woxy with more than two dugs? If you could make it up you wouldn't, cos no one would believe you.

Quite frankly they're behaviour over this is an embarrassment to Scotland imo.
I was dead set against the Torys bringing in the English votes in the manner they were doing (I agree with the premise of English/Welsh votes though), now I hope they do bulldoze it through. Our esteemed elected representatives deserve no less after the shameful way they conducted themselves over this. Why should you try and work with a party as petty as this?
Progressive politics? Aye, right! The usual politics of engineering petty arguments from the snp when, quite frankly, the house has more important issues to be busying itself with.



Surprised this wasn't brought up a few days ago actually. Did the usual cheerleaders not notice it?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Loosen up you guys... for all that is going on in this world Cameron chooses to re- introduce hunting with dogs.
Something that the vast majority of the UK citizens are against.
Why did he have to whip this when it should obviously be a free conscious vote.
Silly sods been caught out again.

Sturgeon was just defending the English silent majority........well done her.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Couldn't agree more.

Don't hold your breath waiting on the media up here to pick up on them being exposed as hypocrites and liars over this either, You'll be holding it awhile!



If I'm correct, they have just voted (did Labours couple of hundred votes not count btw) not to allow hunting foxy woxy with more than two dugs in England and Wales, yet currently preside over a law (and have done for a good few years) in Scotland that does allow hunting foxy woxy with more than two dugs? If you could make it up you wouldn't, cos no one would believe you.

Quite frankly they're behaviour over this is an embarrassment to Scotland imo.
I was dead set against the Torys bringing in the English votes in the manner they were doing (I agree with the premise of English/Welsh votes though), now I hope they do bulldoze it through. Our esteemed elected representatives deserve no less after the shameful way they conducted themselves over this. Why should you try and work with a party as petty as this?
Progressive politics? Aye, right! The usual politics of engineering petty arguments from the snp when, quite frankly, the house has more important issues to be busying itself with.



Surprised this wasn't brought up a few days ago actually. Did the usual cheerleaders not notice it?

There was no vote taken as Cameron knew he would suffer an embarrassing defeat from his own party's rebels.

Re the England Westminster question.

That can only be sorted by
a] Westminster abolishing The Scottish Parliament.
b] Scotland becoming an independent country
c] England establishing it's own Parliament.

Other than that the England question will make the West Lothian question look like a wee puff of wind.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Loosen up you guys... for all that is going on in this world Cameron chooses to re- introduce hunting with dogs.
Something that the vast majority of the UK citizens are against.
Why did he have to whip this when it should obviously be a free conscious vote.
Silly sods been caught out again.

Sturgeon was just defending the English silent majority........well done her.

You really are the most ill informed self-opinionated man.

If you bothered researching you would see that the Conservative MP's were the only ones who were to be allowed a free vote,

Labour, Lib-Dems and SNP decided to whip their members although quite what it had to do with the SNP is beyond me.

Their involvement merely strengthens the case for EVEL in the eyes of most English voters.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Loosen up you guys... for all that is going on in this world Cameron chooses to re- introduce hunting with dogs.
Something that the vast majority of the UK citizens are against.
Why did he have to whip this when it should obviously be a free conscious vote.
Silly sods been caught out again.

Sturgeon was just defending the English silent majority........well done her.

How kind of her; if only she'd had the courtesy to ask me what I wanted before deciding for me.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You really are the most ill informed self-opinionated man.

If you bothered researching you would see that the Conservative MP's were the only ones who were to be allowed a free vote,

Labour, Lib-Dems and SNP decided to whip their members although quite what it had to do with the SNP is beyond me.

Their involvement merely strengthens the case for EVEL in the eyes of most English voters.

So why did Cameron pull the vote?
Did he not have the support of all of his MP's.

 

[Slime]

Sturgeon was just defending the English silent majority........well done her.

Wake up and smell the coffee.
She's just sticking her snout in other peoples' business, where it's not wanted, just to massage her own over-inflated ego as she tries to convince herself of her own self-importance.

Two faced lying cow.

Slime.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So why did Cameron pull the vote?
Did he not have the support of all of his MP's.

Clearly you struggle to understand the meaning of "a free vote".

The party leadership may have a view or even a preference but has the courage to allow its members to vote according to their conscience as the legislation is seen as a matter of principle.

Sadly not all political party's leaderships have similar courage.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Clearly you struggle to understand the meaning of "a free vote".

The party leadership may have a view or even a preference but has the courage to allow its members to vote according to their conscience as the legislation is seen as a matter of principle.

Sadly not all political party's leaderships have similar courage.

As I thought, not enough support.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Wake up and smell the coffee.
She's just sticking her snout in other peoples' business, where it's not wanted, just to massage her own over-inflated ego as she tries to convince herself of her own self-importance.

Two faced lying cow.

Slime.

When it comes to lying she is a total novice compared to Cameron and Carmichael.
Think back to what they were saying/begging/pleading prior to the independence vote.

Anyway, I thought the 56/7 were powerless in Westminster.

[PS Is that not rather rude, sexist language to use against the Scottish First Minister].

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

As I thought, not enough support.

In his own party, yes. How do you know how the other parties would have voted without a whip?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

When it comes to lying she is a total novice compared to Cameron and Carmichael.
Think back to what they were saying/begging/pleading prior to the independence vote. As opposed to the completely honest SNP, eh! Scotland are lucky they have such saints leading the country, who in no way are exactly the same as every other politician.

Anyway, I thought the 56/7 were powerless in Westminster.Guess we'll never know. You've been saying how this was all due to the tory back benchers, are you suddenly changing tack and now claiming this for the SNP?

.

Comments as above

 

[Slime]

When it comes to lying she is a total novice compared to Cameron and Carmichael.
Think back to what they were saying/begging/pleading prior to the independence vote.

Anyway, I thought the 56/7 were powerless in Westminster.

[PS Is that not rather rude, sexist language to use against the Scottish First Minister].

Nope, just saying it as it is.

Slime.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

As I thought, not enough support.

I really cannot understand how you can be so stupid that you consistently fail to understand something as basic as "a free vote". Whether the Government has sufficient support from within its own ranks is irrelevant on a matter of conscience.

What is sad is that the members from other parties including the sainted SNP allow themselves to be treated as lobby fodder by their so called leadership in the hope of scoring some peculiar victory.

Gutless lot our opposition MP's.

As for Sturgeon I think Slime has said it all.

 

[c1973]

Nope, just saying it as it is.

Slime.

In fairness, it is imo a fairly accurate description. Particularly on this issue.



What happened to the 'we won't vote on issues not affecting Scotland'?

 

[Snelly]

Loosen up you guys... for all that is going on in this world Cameron chooses to re- introduce hunting with dogs.
Something that the vast majority of the UK citizens are against.
Why did he have to whip this when it should obviously be a free conscious vote.
Silly sods been caught out again.

Sturgeon was just defending the English silent majority........well done her.

You are completely wrong, as usual. But don't let the facts get in the way of your incessant nationalist sniping.

 

[Hobbit]

In fairness, it is imo a fairly accurate description. Particularly on this issue.



What happened to the 'we won't vote on issues not affecting Scotland'?

Not bad for a novice liar though... wonder if she lies to the Scottish electorate? Silly me! She's a politician, of course she lies.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Not bad for a novice liar though... wonder if she lies to the Scottish electorate? Silly me! She's a politician, of course she lies.

If in any doubt, you can easily work out when a politician is lying; their lips are moving.