For those who want a 3hr45min round.

[3565]

The Westwood scenario would never happen so its a pointless scenario - telling club golfers to speed up can and has happened

but you are dealing in extremes going on about playing rushing round to get around in under 3 hours - no one has suggested that needs to happen - so im not sure why you keep bringing that up.

No, no one has suggested it, but it does happen, just as with slow play, like I said this game creates extremes, which i think you don't seem to acknowledge or understand. Mores the point I think you won't acknowledge it cos all that matters is your opinion and no one else's.

Good luck on your quest of educating the slo mo's.

but this OP was about Mr Kings idea of a 15" hole which mentioned the 3hr45min timing. You've not commented on his view, but just on players being slow! Oh and re read some of the earlier posts and a couple have said why would I want to take an extra 45 min to play a round?

 

[Hacker Khan]

I got stuck behind an under 8s tournament today. They teed off about 45 mins in front of me and I had caught them up on the 4th where there were 2 groups on the fairway and one on the tee. After 10 mins of bunker practice on the 3rd green I looked again and the final group was only half way down the fairway. So I gave up and played the 1st 3 again twice before continuing.

Stupid club getting youngsters involved in the game, spoiling it for us elderly people.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No, no one has suggested it, but it does happen, just as with slow play, like I said this game creates extremes, which i think you don't seem to acknowledge or understand. Mores the point I think you won't acknowledge it cos all that matters is your opinion and no one else's.

Good luck on your quest of educating the slo mo's.

I havent ever witnessed people playing too quickly causing problems on the course - i have witness people playing too slowly cause problems - every single time there is a medal the problem is the slow play - and thats in multiple events on multiple courses over the years.

Do we see issues with players like Snedeker on the Pro tour ? Very quick player who plays at a nice pace - does he cause issues or is it the slow players that have caused issues.

Do you really believe that people playing too quickly is as big an issue as players playing too slowly

How many people do you think would have witnessed people playing too quickly causing issues if we asked on here ?

Anytime slow play is highlighted as an issue you seem to try and deflect it and start talking about players playing too quickly

Is slow play a recognised issue in golf - yes it is

Is quick play a recognised issues is golf - not that i am aware off

and i have commented on Mr Kings idea - thought it was very funny but not a good idea.

 

[Foxholer]

Don't call me ignorant, who the hell are you to say I'm ignorant!!

If you don't know the etiquette, as seem to be the case then that's ignorance! Mind you, if you do know it and are simply ignoring it, h'mm....!

Check out the meaning here! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...0l5.4604j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

 

[Fish]

If you don't know the etiquette, as seem to be the case then that's ignorance! Mind you, if you do know it and are simply ignoring it, h'mm....!

Check out the meaning here! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...0l5.4604j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

I don't have to check anything out, you need to read properly what I write and not how you want it to come across to suit your own self righteous judgements of people. Back on block/ignore for you, I hate reading your drivel...

 

[Fish]

I havent ever witnessed people playing too quickly causing problems on the course -

I have, and that is why my last club stated that 2 balls were expected to play at a 4-ball pace at weekends and not be expected to be called through because it did more harm than good when the majority of the field were 4-balls and everyone just got backed up. I would think that a similar sized group playing very quickly would have the same effect?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you don't know the etiquette, as seem to be the case then that's ignorance! Mind you, if you do know it and are simply ignoring it, h'mm....!

Check out the meaning here! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...0l5.4604j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

Sorry but i dont think Fish is being ignorant at all and i can see exactly what he is saying

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I have, and that is why my last club stated that 2 balls were expected to play at a 4-ball pace at weekends and not be expected to be called through because it did more harm than good when the majority of the field were 4-balls and everyone just got backed up. I would think that a similar sized group playing very quickly would have the same effect?

A lot of clubs have no 2 balls rules at weekend because its very busy

But will they be playing too quickly or just playing at 2 ball pace.

 

[Fish]

A lot of clubs have no 2 balls rules at weekend because its very busy

But will they be playing too quickly or just playing at 2 ball pace.

I was just making the point that I have seen fast play however caused create a problem, which is why the rule came about, like you say, they may have been playing correctly as a 2-ball but shouldn't expect to be called through on a busy weekend as it only creates more problems, I was attempting to use that scenario that should a 3-ball or even 4-ball play well ahead of their 'expected' pace, is letting them through an option as it would have the same effect.

 

[Foxholer]

A lot of clubs have no 2 balls rules at weekend because its very busy

But will they be playing too quickly or just playing at 2 ball pace.

In that case, it's deemed to be both. 2-Ball pace causing disruption - by playing through - to the many 4-balls on the course. Not such a pain if only 1, but when 3 or 4 come along in as many holes, it certainly disrupts the flow of the round. Better to be joined up where possible - and I've seen places where that happens.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I was just making the point that I have seen fast play however caused create a problem, which is why the rule came about, like you say, they may have been playing correctly as a 2-ball but shouldn't expect to be called through on a busy weekend as it only creates more problems, I was attempting to use that scenario that should a 3-ball or even 4-ball play well ahead of their 'expected' pace, is letting them through an option as it would have the same effect.

i think the expected play is mainly relevant when the playing groups are similar in size

I dont expect a 3 ball to keep up with a 2 ball or a 4 ball keep up with a 3 ball

We dont have many 2 balls at weekend but a mix of 3 balls and 4 balls - only time there is a 2 ball is if a knockout comp but they normally get let through by groups.

 

[Foxholer]

I was just making the point that I have seen fast play however caused create a problem, which is why the rule came about, like you say, they may have been playing correctly as a 2-ball but shouldn't expect to be called through on a busy weekend as it only creates more problems, I was attempting to use that scenario that should a 3-ball or even 4-ball play well ahead of their 'expected' pace, is letting them through an option as it would have the same effect.

Another part of the Etiquette is that if a group following you is actually faster than you, then it should be invited through too. so it doesn't matter whether it's a 3 or 4 ball. Here's the entire paragraph.

"It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group. Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through."

 

[3565]

i think the expected play is mainly relevant when the playing groups are similar in size

I dont expect a 3 ball to keep up with a 2 ball or a 4 ball keep up with a 3 ball

We dont have many 2 balls at weekend but a mix of 3 balls and 4 balls - only time there is a 2 ball is if a knockout comp but they normally get let through by groups.

so make your mind up? Which is it and I quote YOU from an earlier post,

It's all about keeping pace with the group in front as opposed to just staying ahead of the group behind

or the bold highlighted above?

So tell me in your quest, how can a 4 ball keep up with a 3 ball when on a par 71 they will play 3.94 shots per hole less, so call it 4 shots, and your claim that a routine should take no longer then 20seconds max, over a round the 3 ball will take 23min 36s less then the 4 ball!!!

So can I ask, how many holes can your 3 ball play in 23 and a half mins?
And will the 4 ball, who can't keep up with the 3 ball group in front get the brunt of your quest to speed up?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

so make your mind up? Which is it and I quote YOU from an earlier post,

It's all about keeping pace with the group in front as opposed to just staying ahead of the group behind

or the bold highlighted above?

So tell me in your quest, how can a 4 ball keep up with a 3 ball when on a par 71 they will play 3.94 shots per hole less, so call it 4 shots, and your claim that a routine should take no longer then 20seconds max, over a round the 3 ball will take 23min 36s less then the 4 ball!!!

So can I ask, how many holes can your 3 ball play in 23 and a half mins?
And will the 4 ball, who can't keep up with the 3 ball group in front get the brunt of your quest to speed up?

Wow - just wow

If you really cant see what im saying then there is no point going on now is there - come on lets use common sense

Take it from now that anytime i suggest the group in front keep up its when its a comp or roll ups and the groups are off the same size on the course.

You can try and dissect it all as much as possible or continue to bring up specific instances to try and prove a point as much as you want but it wont change the overall general point that slow play is an issue within golf

Have a read of these

http://www.golftoday.co.uk/news/yeartodate/news03/randa7.html

Julie Otto, assistant secretary (rules) of the R&A, which has had 3.7 million copies of the new rule book printed with the help of sponsors Rolex, said: "Everyone is affected by slow play which has become a major problem in the modern game.

"This is the first time that the R&A rule book has been written for the modern golfer and has such a prominent section on etiquette and how to improve the pace of play. If we can increase the speed of play then we can increase the pleasure of the game for everyone."

From the rule book

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Pace-of-Play.aspx


How players can minimise round times:

Be aware of your position with regard to the group in front and keep up with that group.

If you feel that your group is losing ground, tell the other players in your group.

If your group is behind, try to catch up.

If you lose a clear hole and are delaying the group behind, or if there is no group in front of you and you are delaying the group behind, invite the group behind to play through.

Be ready to play your shot. While exercising due consideration for other players in your group, put your glove on, check your yardage, pick your club and line up your putt while others are playing.

At the green, speed up your exit by positioning your bags on the way to the next tee.

Move off the green as soon as all players in your group have holed out and mark score cards at or on the way to the next tee.

Play a provisional ball if your ball may be lost outside a hazard or out of bounds.

 

[bluewolf]

Wow, this thread is too head freaky.. Too much Black/White thinking for me..

Games ebb and flow, just because you've lost 5 minutes on the group in front doesn't mean that you won't have caught them up by the following few holes. You know what pace you're playing at and whether it's fast, slow or just reasonably decent. Enjoy your golf and let faster groups through if the need arises...:thup:

 

[Foxholer]

So tell me in your quest, how can a 4 ball keep up with a 3 ball when on a par 71 they will play 3.94 shots per hole less, so call it 4 shots, and your claim that a routine should take no longer then 20seconds max, over a round the 3 ball will take 23min 36s less then the 4 ball!!!

So can I ask, how many holes can your 3 ball play in 23 and a half mins?

That's about the difference in time I observe between a 3 and a 4 ball - 20-30 mins. 2-Balls can be significantly quicker than 3-balls.

23-24 mins is about 2 holes.

@Phil. While some prefer to bask in blissful ignorance, I find the USGA Rules are easier to use - though the R&A ones are easier to search.

http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Rule-01/

 

[North Mimms]

This thread perfectly illustrates why many people think golfers are boring...

 

[Foxholer]

This thread perfectly illustrates why many people think golfers are boring...

Read once in a rather amusing 'book' - well, we thought so - that the only type worse at 'Dinner parties' than Golf bores are Horsey Bores - because they tend to pong a bit as well!

 

[Pin-seeker]

Read once in a rather amusing 'book' - well, we thought so - that the only type worse at 'Dinner parties' than Golf bores are Horsey Bores - because they tend to pong a bit as well!

I play golf & my mrs as horses,no wonder we don't get invited to many dinner parties

 

[Fish]

I play golf & my mrs as horses,no wonder we don't get invited to many dinner parties

Phil might be having a party soon, keep an eye out for your invitation card :smirk: