For those who want a 3hr45min round.

[3565]

It has happened but needs to happen more often

Certainly can enforce slow play penalties on club golfers !

When I say it won't happen, I'm meaning that yes the Pro game is painfully slow compared to the amateur game, but until they enforce it on, like you said, more often, every week, then you'll continue to watch 5hr rounds. How can you and who enforces the slow penalty rule? You can't, you need a member of a committee to enforce it and I suppose you have a committee member at the start noting your start times and another with your finish time and then an inquest into who(s) the culprit to impose the penalty?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

When I say it won't happen, I'm meaning that yes the Pro game is painfully slow compared to the amateur game, but until they enforce it on, like you said, more often, every week, then you'll continue to watch 5hr rounds. How can you and who enforces the slow penalty rule? You can't, you need a member of a committee to enforce it and I suppose you have a committee member at the start noting your start times and another with your finish time and then an inquest into who(s) the culprit to impose the penalty?

Certain clubs have marshals on the day of comps

Seen a few people get shot penalties and put on the clock

Slow play can be penalised for club golfers

We have had golfers not allowed to play before a certain time due to their slow play.

 

[3565]

Certain clubs have marshals on the day of comps

Seen a few people get shot penalties and put on the clock

Slow play can be penalised for club golfers

We have had golfers not allowed to play before a certain time due to their slow play.

well I'm not and I suppose the majority of us don't belong to clubs that have marshals and can impose these penalties.

So slow play can be penalised for club golfers? Tell me how that can happen in a club monthly medal, that don't have marshals and where a decision has to be made before cards are signed and committee members available? I'd like to know how YOU can enforce that?

 

[User20205]

gps, some repeat offenders at our place have been asked to carry gps units, They provide timings and live info on a screen in the club house.

we don't get much of a problem with slow play

The idea of stroke penalties was never threatened to my knowledge. It was more of a suggestion that certain groups would have to play in set slots at the rear of the field, they could take as long as they wanted then

 

[Deleted member 15344]

well I'm not and I suppose the majority of us don't belong to clubs that have marshals and can impose these penalties.

So slow play can be penalised for club golfers? Tell me how that can happen in a club monthly medal, that don't have marshals and where a decision has to be made before cards are signed and committee members available? I'd like to know how YOU can enforce that?

Getting into specifics now - your initial point was club golfers can't be penalised

Shown that they can and if clubs that do have a problem with slow play want to sort it out then they get marshals ( committee members/volunteers given the authority etc ) to time people and inform the committee of players rounds. There will always be a way to sort out slow play. I'm sorry that it doesn't seem to bother you but it is a very big problem within club and pro golf.

 

[Foxholer]

Sorry but is 3:45 suppose to be a quick round?

In some places it would be quick; others it would be diabolically slow!

Any round under 4hrs 30 is quick on one course I know. Another course on the same complex can be negotiated comfortably in just over 3 hrs!

 

[3565]

Getting into specifics now - your initial point was club golfers can't be penalised

Shown that they can and if clubs that do have a problem with slow play want to sort it out then they get marshals ( committee members/volunteers given the authority etc ) to time people and inform the committee of players rounds. There will always be a way to sort out slow play. I'm sorry that it doesn't seem to bother you but it is a very big problem within club and pro golf.

no it doesn't bother me at all really unlike yourself, so long as whoever is slow is aware and allows the group behind to be let through. Alternately quick golfers can be a pain in the ass by wanting to break land speed records and pushing the group in front who could be going at a good pace, but still not quick enough for the grip, rip, find n rip again brigade.

 

[Foxholer]

no it doesn't bother me at all really unlike yourself, so long as whoever is slow is aware and allows the group behind to be let through. Alternately quick golfers can be a pain in the ass by wanting to break land speed records and pushing the group in front who could be going at a good pace, but still not quick enough for the grip, rip, find n rip again brigade.

I like your style!

Was it you who has had a similar experience to the one I had as a guest at Walton Heath? I nearly fell off my chair when 1 member asked another how his round was and the reply was 'Excellent! 2hrs 45'!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

no it doesn't bother me at all really unlike yourself, so long as whoever is slow is aware and allows the group behind to be let through. Alternately quick golfers can be a pain in the ass by wanting to break land speed records and pushing the group in front who could be going at a good pace, but still not quick enough for the grip, rip, find n rip again brigade.

The highlighted bit shows that you don't understand the problem slow play is causing in the game

It's not just about the group behind or behind them it's also your FC you need to be aware off- if your play caused us to lose ground on the group in front then I would politely ask you to speed up your play to ensure you keep up with the group in front

And quick players as you call them are just going at normal pace - 3 1/2 hour 3 balls is normal pace - 4 hour 4 Balls

Obviously got to allow allowances for length of courses and the odd lost ball but anything over 4 hours for a 3 ball is too slow

20 years ago they had an EGM at our place to discuss why 3 balls were taking too long ( average back there was 3:30 ) - the game has got slower and if it will continue it will drive people away - the people that don't want to spend over 5 hours on the course

 

[3565]

I like your style!

Was it you who has had a similar experience to the one I had as a guest at Walton Heath? I nearly fell off my chair when 1 member asked another how his round was and the reply was 'Excellent! 2hrs 45'!

it is Foxholer, Royal Birkdale of all places. Similar time as your experience. 2hrs n 45min Royal Birkdale!!!

 

[Foxholer]

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And quick players as you call them are just going at normal pace - 3 1/2 hour 3 balls is normal pace - 4 hour 4 Balls

Obviously got to allow allowances for length of courses and the odd lost ball but anything over 4 hours for a 3 ball is too slow
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That entirely depends on the course! See my post #46! The standard (for a 4-ball) at a previous Club was 4:20. Rare to get 3-balls except in comps and, because it's a comp, they normally take 4-ball time - because of looking for balls etc.

At a different Club, the 4-ball standard was 3:20! Comps in 3-balls normally took 3:30 - because of more lost ball potential!

 

[davidy233]

This hack golf sounds like a good idea - but only for the guys on the forum who think four hours or more is acceptable pace for a four ball

 

[3565]

The highlighted bit shows that you don't understand the problem slow play is causing in the game

It's not just about the group behind or behind them it's also your FC you need to be aware off- if your play caused us to lose ground on the group in front then I would politely ask you to speed up your play to ensure you keep up with the group in front

And quick players as you call them are just going at normal pace - 3 1/2 hour 3 balls is normal pace - 4 hour 4 Balls

Obviously got to allow allowances for length of courses and the odd lost ball but anything over 4 hours for a 3 ball is too slow

20 years ago they had an EGM at our place to discuss why 3 balls were taking too long ( average back there was 3:30 ) - the game has got slower and if it will continue it will drive people away - the people that don't want to spend over 5 hours on the course

Oh far from it, as I'm older and played the game longer then yourself I do know what slow play is doing to the game. As for your politeness in asking, I've never come across a player who hates slow players, to ask politely!! So you must be a breed on your own? You can't control what others do or their lack of etiquette on the golf course, and if the round in general is slow and no fault of any group which happens, then it is what it is, no amount of moaning is going to change that. If a round takes 3hrs then it takes that time, if it's 4hrs+ then it takes that time.

Seems like your on a crusade against slow play, so you must be in favour of my OP on your company guru Mr King in expanding the hole to 15" then, to entice people to play this wonderful game that has more emphasise on time then shots taken........... Just think, Aimpoint would be useless, and from your experience of Aimpoint which you say it causes slow play, oh no, that's your view point not experience, that would please you.... Just the pesky 20.78secs PSR to contend with....... Think Mr King is on to something here

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Perfect example was today

I had to ask one of my FC today that he needed to play quicker as we were loosing ground on the group in front and holding up the group behind

I asked him to be ready when it was his turn to play and he needed to find a way to quicken up his PSR because it was taking over a min and half each time ( even longer on putts ) and his slow play was breaking up the rhythm of both myself and the other FC .

We took 2 hr 20 for the from 9 and because I asked him we got round the second 9 in 1hr 40 and kept a nice pace with the group in front and ended up with a 4 hour 3 ball ( still too long ) . He played a lot better in the second 9 and actually thanked us for asking him to speed up because he just walked up to the ball picked his club and line and hit it and he believed that he stopped thinking and just played the game.

So by asking him to speed up we managed to get him playing at a better pace and also playing better golf. So yes I will continue on my crusade to get the game being played at a more respectable pace

 

[Pin-seeker]

Perfect example was today

I had to ask one of my FC today that he needed to play quicker as we were loosing ground on the group in front and holding up the group behind

I asked him to be ready when it was his turn to play and he needed to find a way to quicken up his PSR because it was taking over a min and half each time ( even longer on putts ) and his slow play was breaking up the rhythm of both myself and the other FC .

We took 2 hr 20 for the from 9 and because I asked him we got round the second 9 in 1hr 40 and kept a nice pace with the group in front and ended up with a 4 hour 3 ball ( still too long ) . He played a lot better in the second 9 and actually thanked us for asking him to speed up because he just walked up to the ball picked his club and line and hit it and he believed that he stopped thinking and just played the game.

So by asking him to speed up we managed to get him playing at a better pace and also playing better golf. So yes I will continue on my crusade to get the game being played at a more respectable pace

LiverpoolPhil strikes again in his crusade to make the world a better place,keep up the good work mate

 

[Deleted member 15344]

LiverpoolPhil strikes again in his crusade to make the world a better place,keep up the good work mate

Getting obsessed with me again I see.

 

[BTatHome]

I find it hard to believe he had a minute and half preshot routine (or longer as you say on putts). It may have felt that long but never seen anybody take that long ... ever.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I find it hard to believe he had a minute and half preshot routine (or longer as you say on putts). It may have felt that long but never seen anybody take that long ... ever.

FC times him a number of times

Once took 5 mins to three putt

 

[Pin-seeker]

Getting obsessed with me again I see.

But not quite as bad as your obsession with Homer hey phil
Have a good day Phillip :thup:

 

[Foxholer]

Have a good day Phillip :thup:

:rofl: