For those who want a 3hr45min round.

Played in a new group as part of a 4-ball yesterday and it was 4:55hrs & it was our group that were very slow

No one behind so no one to let through

Our 4-ball had:
One chap who's mobility level meant he had to get on hands and knees to put a tee in the ground/retrieve ball from hole etc
One chap who's a new golfer and his true handicap would have been about 48 and lost at least 15 balls
One chap who sauntered around and took an age to get from tee to green & kept forgetting where he left his clubs (but would jog back to them when he remembered)
And me

I realized during the first hole it was going to be a long one and not much I could do to change things (certainly a larger hole would not have helped) and despite being vocal about our pace several times to everyone, no one changed anything

So did I have any other choice than to accept what was happening?

Longest round I've had in a some time and glad the sun was out
 
Poor mobility- I play a bit with a chap who struggles to remove ball from hole. If I am tending the flag or replacing my ball near hole, I tend to get his ball for him

Newbie golfer- watch his ball flight and encourage to take a provisional.

BUT
Saunterer.... tell him to stop dawdling!

Some slow players have reasons why playing faster is difficult, but I have no patience with time wasters and amblers
 
Wow - just wow

If you really cant see what im saying then there is no point going on now is there - come on lets use common sense

Take it from now that anytime i suggest the group in front keep up its when its a comp or roll ups and the groups are off the same size on the course.

You can try and dissect it all as much as possible or continue to bring up specific instances to try and prove a point as much as you want but it wont change the overall general point that slow play is an issue within golf

Have a read of these

http://www.golftoday.co.uk/news/yeartodate/news03/randa7.html

Julie Otto, assistant secretary (rules) of the R&A, which has had 3.7 million copies of the new rule book printed with the help of sponsors Rolex, said: "Everyone is affected by slow play which has become a major problem in the modern game.

"This is the first time that the R&A rule book has been written for the modern golfer and has such a prominent section on etiquette and how to improve the pace of play. If we can increase the speed of play then we can increase the pleasure of the game for everyone."


From the rule book

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Pace-of-Play.aspx


How players can minimise round times:

Be aware of your position with regard to the group in front and keep up with that group.

If you feel that your group is losing ground, tell the other players in your group.

If your group is behind, try to catch up.

If you lose a clear hole and are delaying the group behind, or if there is no group in front of you and you are delaying the group behind, invite the group behind to play through.

Be ready to play your shot. While exercising due consideration for other players in your group, put your glove on, check your yardage, pick your club and line up your putt while others are playing.

At the green, speed up your exit by positioning your bags on the way to the next tee.

Move off the green as soon as all players in your group have holed out and mark score cards at or on the way to the next tee.

Play a provisional ball if your ball may be lost outside a hazard or out of bounds.


I read that link from Mr Otto, you have accused me of being extreme, but golf produces extreme circumstances not just playing the game but the rules within the game that cause extreme circumstances. All I'm doing is asking your views in these situations as in a 4ball trying to keep up with a 3ball which happens in golf, whether it's competition, roll ups, friendliest or whatever, as your barking about what everyone already knows and to an extent your just preaching from what the governing bodies have said for years, have glove on, be ready when someone played their shot, put bag blah blah blah......


It starts with the Professionals, they take far too long for a 3 ball to play a round of golf, in that link you sent is a quote, A round of golf for four on an 18-hole course should take between three and three-and-a-half hours. Until the governing bodies change their focus and start at the top, PROFESSIONALS, and start imposing more penalties on them and they start to quicken up themselves then slow play will always be an issue.


I think the bodies have to look at certain rules within the game as well to help pace of play, possibly reduce the 5min to search ball, to be able to play your provisional ball no matter what's happened to your original ball. But personally it needs to start at the top for it to work into the amateur as the Pros set the example.
 
Played in a new group as part of a 4-ball yesterday and it was 4:55hrs & it was our group that were very slow

No one behind so no one to let through

Our 4-ball had:
One chap who's mobility level meant he had to get on hands and knees to put a tee in the ground/retrieve ball from hole etc
One chap who's a new golfer and his true handicap would have been about 48 and lost at least 15 balls
One chap who sauntered around and took an age to get from tee to green & kept forgetting where he left his clubs (but would jog back to them when he remembered)
And me

I realized during the first hole it was going to be a long one and not much I could do to change things (certainly a larger hole would not have helped) and despite being vocal about our pace several times to everyone, no one changed anything

So did I have any other choice than to accept what was happening?

Longest round I've had in a some time and glad the sun was out

Now there's an extreme that golf throws at you. And you mentioned about pace of play, but nothing really changed, one guy would still get on hands and knees, another will still loose golf balls and another with amnesia. Can you do any more? No. So it was what it was, and your patience that showed to others and accepting that it was going to be a long round, some on here wouldn't show the same amount.
 
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