Foot on the brake

Smiffy said:
Hate to say it mate, but there is something wrong somewhere. They shouldn't do that.
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Yes something wrong with your knowledge of modern cars.
its not a coincidence we are discussing this rise in brake lights it's because most modern cars with electronic hand brakes work this way.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Surely in a rear end shunt, your normal reaction would be to press harder with your foot. In any case, if you do release the brakes at Impact you should in theory lesson damage to your car as it would move rather than absorb the energy from the colliding motor.

I always sit at lights foot on brake pedal, whether in my auto van or manual car. I want the cars behind me to know I am not moving or getting ready to move until Implace my foot on the accelerator.

How about we start a rant on those who drive with dirty or illegally lettered number plates, that would be worthy of discussion.
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Depends on the severity and unexpectedness of the shunt - and you will never know about an unexpectedly severe one until it happens. With handbrake on you don't need to rely upon any expectations you may have in your ability to react appropriately.
 
Tashyboy said:
My car has the stop start system. It tells you on the dash board if you are stationary to long with your foot on the clutch waiting to go ( economy tip). As soon as you put it into neutral and take your foot off the clutch the car cuts out. Lights turn to green, put foot on clutch and engine starts takes 1-2 seconds before you are off. Twice today I had people pipping the horn today for me to move off after a second. ? Impatient or what. Sometimes your damned if you do etc.

however when I got to me uncles estate when driving up a small rd a woman was stopped in her car the middle of the rd. She was blocking the rd, her head was down texting..
After about 10 seconds with my car 15 ft from hers I pipped the horn. She looked at me daggers. What is that all about
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My car has the same, but I've learned to read the sequence of the lights that I encounter on my daily commute so I know when to re-engage the engine. Altough a delay of 2-3 seconds is hardly life-threatening for those behind when I'm at lights where I don't know the sequence.

Foot on brake really gets on my goat at night, especially when it is wet as the glare off the road can be distracting to the driver of the car behind.

Folk that drive with fog-lights on when it isn't foggy need a good boot in the proverbials as well...
 
Rooter said:
yup. and proud. Does your parts dept sell ultra bright brake lights?
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Yeah my car has 2 pedals. One for Go and the other for Stop. I use one of these at any one time. When I turn the engine off, something magic stops it from rolling away.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Surely in a rear end shunt, your normal reaction would be to press harder with your foot. In any case, if you do release the brakes at Impact you should in theory lesson damage to your car as it would move rather than absorb the energy from the colliding motor.
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Straight into the car in front of you in the queue.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Yes something wrong with your knowledge of modern cars.
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I sell (and drive) the new Nissan Qashqai (can't get much more modern than that) which comes with an electronic park brake.
The brake lights do not stay on when I apply it, they only stay on when I have my foot on the brake pedal.
Hence why I thought there was something wrong.
Thank you for your concern, but my knowledge of modern cars has enabled me to earn a comfortable living for the past 30 years.
 
Smiffy said:
I sell (and drive) the new Nissan Qashqai (can't get much more modern than that) which comes with an electronic park brake.
The brake lights do not stay on when I apply it, they only stay on when I have my foot on the brake pedal.
Hence why I thought there was something wrong.
Thank you for your concern, but my knowledge of modern cars has enabled me to earn a comfortable living for the past 30 years.
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I've got one of these also - so modern and so many handy gizmos and functions that I still haven't worked out how everything works :) But I do like the car - and my Mrs and daughter love it...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I've got one of these also - so modern and so many handy gizmos and functions that I still haven't worked out how everything works :) But I do like the car - and my Mrs and daughter love it...
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I bet your brake lights aren't on when you apply the electronic handbrake.....;););)

But of course, what do we know? Apparently we know nothing about modern cars.
Also just asked my service manager if he was aware of ANY cars that have their brake lights permanently on when an electronic parking brake is applied.
He's not aware of any either....so I guess he's as thick as me.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
What about you getting a rear-end shunt though? - as that was the reason I was told to get into the habit of always putting my handbrake on when stationary. I admit to occasionally holding stopped on the brake pedal - so this reminds me that I must be more mindful.
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Good luck shunting 2 tons of volvo. Of they hit the back of me that hard, then the car is trashed anyway!

Smiffy said:
So rather than spend say 1 or 2 seconds putting your vehicle in P and applying your handbrake, you'd rather sit there annoying the person behind you for maybe 30 or 40 seconds with all of your brake lights on?
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Yup, I'm alright Jack. ;)
 
Smiffy said:
I bet your brake lights aren't on when you apply the electronic handbrake.....;););)

But of course, what do we know? Apparently we know nothing about modern cars.
Also just asked my service manager if he was aware of ANY cars that have their brake lights permanently on when an electronic parking brake is applied.
He's not aware of any either....so I guess he's as thick as me.
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that's not what happens. you best RTFM
 
Rooter said:
Good luck shunting 2 tons of volvo. Of they hit the back of me that hard, then the car is trashed anyway!



Yup, I'm alright Jack. ;)
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Some years ago my wife was sitting at the front of a traffic queue, stationary (handbrake on) at traffic lights in the centre of Bristol. A truck drove up at some speed in the lane to her right but misjudged the lane width and shunted the rear right of our car. She was sent spinning forward into the middle of the junction - it was very fortunate that the crossing traffic had only started to pull away or she'd have been sent spinning into the path of very heavy traffic, with my one year old son in the back seat.
 
Smiffy said:
Please enlighten me what happens?
You seem to be the expert.
The OP stated that his brake lights are still on when he applies his electronic park brake with his foot off the pedal.
I state they don't.
Prove me wrong. Please.
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Rob, we have two Mercs. Both have an electronic hold brake that is applied by pressing the brake pedal whilst stationary. This engages the braking system and applied the brake lights but allows me to take my foot off the pedal. This is only disengaged by pressing the accelerator so even in a shunt it will stay engaged.
This is a system designed to be used at all times when stationary but not parked.
Whilst it's not, strictly, a parking brake it is an electronic brake that does what is being described.
 
GreiginFife said:
Rob, we have two Mercs. Both have an electronic hold brake that is applied by pressing the brake pedal whilst stationary. This engages the braking system and applied the brake lights but allows me to take my foot off the pedal. This is only disengaged by pressing the accelerator so even in a shunt it will stay engaged.
This is a system designed to be used at all times when stationary but not parked.
Whilst it's not, strictly, a parking brake it is an electronic brake that does what is being described.
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Hi mate
I fully understand what a parking brake/electronic parking brake does.
My "argument" is that applying the electronic park brake on my Qashqai does not leave the brake lights on, unless I am actually sitting in the car with my foot on the brake pedal.
If I am out of the car, the brake lights are not on despite the electronic handbrake/park brake/parking brake (call it what you will) being on.
My service manager is also unaware of any car that has it's brake lights left on unless the driver is actually sitting in the car with their foot on the brake pedal.
But a certain individual is determined to belittle me, despite my clear explanation of what is happening.
Let him prove me wrong
 
Smiffy said:
Hi mate
I fully understand what a parking brake/electronic parking brake does.
My "argument" is that applying the electronic park brake on my Qashqai does not leave the brake lights on, unless I am actually sitting in the car with my foot on the brake pedal.
If I am out of the car, the brake lights are not on despite the electronic handbrake/park brake/parking brake (call it what you will) being on.
My service manager is also unaware of any car that has it's brake lights left on unless the driver is actually sitting in the car with their foot on the brake pedal.
But a certain individual is determined to belittle me, despite my clear explanation of what is happening.
Let him prove me wrong
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Could be he is describing what I am talking about. I can put the hold brake on and step out of the car and my brake lights will stay on (in the A Class anyway not the newer C Class) it's how I check the brake bulbs :D
Understand that you get how it works though, you sell cars for a living after all :thup:
 
Rooter said:
you feel that strongly about the car in front having its brakes lights on?! wow, i thought i had problems!!
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I do when I'm sitting in the dark and rain with god knows how many watts of red light blinding me.
Having got a problem when they come on to warn you that the driver in front is slowing down, that's what they're designed to do.
How would you like it if somebody was driving towards you with their main beams left on?
 
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