Foxholer
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This always amuses me!
How much of Players Wages actually 'stay in Football'?
As for Football being a business, Lord Sugar quip is memorable - '..but nobody makes any money!'.
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How much of Players Wages actually 'stay in Football'?
As for Football being a business, Lord Sugar quip is memorable - '..but nobody makes any money!'.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Tashy out of interest, do you still consider your club Manchester based.
And do you feel like you have won the League fairly or just 'bought' the title.
And do you feel like you have won the League fairly or just 'bought' the title.
Tashyboy
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Deffo bought it again, ave managed to get a ticket for Sundays game and the guy who gave it me was saying about 8 weeks ago "am not bothered if we win the league this years football has been the best he has ever seen as a city fan". The football bit I would agree with but winning the title, yeah every premier league fan wants it.
at the moment yeah it is still manchester based, an hour or two in Mary dees before the game, local nutcase bar and it would enforce that view, strange thing is that when I look at city's fan base, most of the fans you see at the games are old. Yeah there's a few young uns but the core of the fans at city have followed them through thick and thin.
having said all that I am under no illusions that the city "project" is to make city global. I don't see anything wrong with that. It is no different to what Real, Barca, Munich, Man utd, Chelsea and Liverpool have achieved.
the strange thing is, that me dad who I took to city v Southampton and Sunderland has always said that as a lad him and his mates went every week to watch. City and Utd, they supported both teams but were closer to one than the other. He/ they classed them as manchesters clubs, no different than Rangers/ Celtic, Liverpool/Everton etc etc.
it's a view that I do share but it doesn't stop me winding up the utd fans, reminding them there actually from Salford.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Does anyone else think that the value of cash the premier league clubs get from the TV rights this year is a bigger concern than any club having a sugar daddy and getting cash injected that way?
(thinking, has a fair or inflated price been paid for the product, in the same way as they look at the value of stadium sponsorship etc)
The numbers I read yesterday say the bottom club will get more than last years champions did, by some margin! And these tens of millions are all coming from the fans as opposed to an oil baron type
(thinking, has a fair or inflated price been paid for the product, in the same way as they look at the value of stadium sponsorship etc)
The numbers I read yesterday say the bottom club will get more than last years champions did, by some margin! And these tens of millions are all coming from the fans as opposed to an oil baron type
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The clubs provide the product that the tv companies are willing to pay billions for
The extra money i believe is down to the new deals with Sky and BT Sport. They both paid a lot of money ( as they get a lot of profit from it ) for the football - the clubs need their fair share of that money
Foxholer
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The Clubs don't actually NEED that money - but while folk will pay for Sky etc, they are quite reasonably being just as greedy as anyone else. It's eventually the fans that are paying for it, either directly or by purchasing the advertisers products. and the balance of where it goes has certainly moved towards the Players since Bosman - and it's a belated answer to that that FFP is all about.
And it's the huge amounts that are making EPL such a huge gamble. While the benefits of membership is huge between Championship and Premiership, the difference in everything else is just as huge - which is why a club like Reading shouldn't necessarily actually aspire to belong imo. And those in what I call the 'Promotion-Relegation' league need to plan/budget for the occasional/frequent return to Championship too!
There will always be 'Sugar Daddies' - remember Jack Walker and Sir John Hall. It's just that the level of wealth required has risen a couple of steps!
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Sorry not making myself clear
I mean if Uefa are investigating the possibility of inflated sponsorship of stadiums etc and suspected unfair revenue streams in the name of fair play. Do we know if they also looked at what seems like inflated payments to clubs from the global TV revenue streams (and as a consequence are the fans overpaying?)
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Used to be the same with me at Edinburgh. watch Hearts mainly but go along and support Hibs in a Europe game/friendly etc.
It looks very much like the EPL's coat is on a shoogly peg. That is a huge amount of debt to carry.
One bad season or Sky deciding to cover another sport/league and the whole thing can crash down ala Portsmouth,Birmingham, Wolves. Blackburn, Burnley Etc Etc.
The inflated sponsorships they are looking at are when the club is already connected to the sponsor for example man city's owners indirectly sponsoring the club through another company. The values for tv rights whilst obscene are entirely legitimate.
Tashyboy
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What i cannot get my head around is that in life business/companies go bust, whether that is in football or any other industry. What we now have is an organisation UEFA, which is somehow trying to police the spending of money within the game/club. the implication of FFP is making clubs use back door methods of sponsorship to try to comply to FFP.
No one is going to convince me that the amateurish way in which UEFA and FIFA run football is able to oversee the professional people which run some of the best businesses/football clubs in the world. Eg how do you fine one club 50 million and another 20 million (PSG) for the same offence.unbelievable.
the way the game is set up, UEFA will always have the same teams at the top table, and it was UEFA,s implication of FFP that essentially forced city's hand in spending the money over the short period of time.
No one is going to convince me that the amateurish way in which UEFA and FIFA run football is able to oversee the professional people which run some of the best businesses/football clubs in the world. Eg how do you fine one club 50 million and another 20 million (PSG) for the same offence.unbelievable.
the way the game is set up, UEFA will always have the same teams at the top table, and it was UEFA,s implication of FFP that essentially forced city's hand in spending the money over the short period of time.
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Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Not so sure about your last comment Tash
Benfica, Feyanord, Dundee United, Notts Forrest, Steau, Villa not the forces they once were.
Man City, Chelsea, Porto etc taking their places.
Benfica, Feyanord, Dundee United, Notts Forrest, Steau, Villa not the forces they once were.
Man City, Chelsea, Porto etc taking their places.
Foxholer
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True, but sooo :rofl:
Tashyboy
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Now that was an age when football was interesting, man city were dire for forty odd years, something that a banner in the Stratford end kept reminding us of. A few decades ago there were not many billionaire sugar daddies about to have the clout to dominate football with there wallets.
That's probably why it's so refreshing to see where athletico Madrid are at this moment in time. However that team will get raided come the end of the season by other top table clubs. Purely because of the financial clout they have.
one other thing. I read earlier this week that the team that finishes bottom of the league this year will get more tv rights money than the team that won the premier league last year. It just goes to show how much money is going into football via TV, how much clout they have, and why we have to watch football at stupid o'clock as a supporter.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Dundee United have played in two European finals [with a record of played 4 won 4 against Barcelona]
I could have also added double European Cup winners Aberdeen.
[+ The first British team to play in Europe....Hibernian,...but that may be taking it toooooo far]!
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Tashyboy
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Doon frae toon, what's your thoughts on Celtic and formerly rangers dominating football in Scotland for so long
does it become predictable? How do the smaller clubs compete with there financial muscle.
on another note, with rangers going bust as has been mentioned re why FFP is in place, has it done them any long term harm?
does it become predictable? How do the smaller clubs compete with there financial muscle.
on another note, with rangers going bust as has been mentioned re why FFP is in place, has it done them any long term harm?
Foxholer
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Indeed, good results and something to be proud of, as is the dozen or so consecutive years 'in Europe'. But the comparison with the likes of Benfica - 2 EC wins, 5 RU, 2 UEFA Cup RUs and a host of other trophies (24 times League Winners, 2 Intercontinental Cups etc) or Feyenoord with an Intercontinental Cup, EC and 2 UEFA Cups and 14 Leagues and 11 Cup wins is just a bit ridiculous!
Comparing it with Nottingham Forest is more reasonable, but they did actually Win the EC twice!
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
It really has been a great year for Scottish Football.
We all knew that Celtic would win but it took them until nearly Christmas to top the league and I think the have not played or dominated as most folk thought. Celtic also went out early in both Cups.
Like many Football fans we would love to see The Old firm in a separate league their financial clout just ruins the competition for the rest of the country.
The young players have had a chance this year and that is starting to reflect on the national team
The long overdue changes to the league structure has resulted in an amazing climax to the Championship league last weekend and the relegation/play off spots in the Premier.
I think the loss of Rangers has been the best thing that has happened to Scottish football for years. The lazy press reporters used to fill their pages with Old Firm guff. Now they are actually having to report about the games.
The Celtic v St Johnstone game last night shows how things can change.
A low budget, small squad team, with average crowds of about 4,000 totally outplayed Celtic fror the first half hour, missed penalty, woodwork etc. They went 3-1 down with 20 mins to play and scored twice to earn a draw.
We all know the top players will be sold to English clubs and then the smaller clubs all have to rebuild again. Stuart McCall has done and amazing job with Motherwell, virtually building a new team each year for the last 3 years and still qualifying for Europe.
The Rangers are in dire trouble. They are totally mismanaging their finances once again.
There is a possibility of them going ...full stop.
They have a huge fan base of loyal supporters who seem to be incapable of influencing their board.
If they do return they will be a shadow of their former club and it will take at least a decade or a Man City type sugar daddy to save them.
International investors and advertisers for Rangers are hard to find due to the historic baggage they carry with them.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
I was not comparing them, just showing the demise of some good clubs.
Remember in that era Dundee Utd had to get past Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and Hearts to even qualify
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