FFP

[Papas1982]

It seems that most the footy debates on here either end up being about Suarez or sugar daddies.

Just t's seen that man city along with 19 other clubs will face sanctions. I'm guessing Chelsea aren't in that list so they have obviously got to a satisfactory point for uefa.

The sanctions haven't been released but speculation is fines, squad limitations for events and finally expulsion.

I must say say I think if they're gonna do it, they should skip point 1. Why say clubs don't use their finances correctly and then fine them more? Whilst hiding behind the idea that it's to make clubs sustainable. Fining them won't help that cause.

So, my question is this:

if a club is found guilty, what should their punishment be? I'm not to fussed about people's thoughts on if sugar daddies are right are wrong. But if uefa have set rules and clubs don't meet them. Do you think expulsion is too harsh? Especially with the things that regularly go unpunished in Spain (racism), are finances top priority?

 

[bluewolf]

If a club can't control its finances, then take away its ability to spend. First offence loses them a transfer window (only loan players allowed), second offence loses them points in their respective leagues.. I can't agree with expulsions as that would make it even harder for them to get a grip on the finances..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They will hand out fines and then carry in as normal

FFP is just a white rabbit

Clubs can just write off certain losses and explain away other losses

FFP is a joke that was introduced by Platini who wanted to curb the English and Spanish dominance in the CL - notice he has been extremely quiet about both PSG and Monaco

 

[Papas1982]

They will hand out fines and then carry in as normal

FFP is just a white rabbit

Clubs can just write off certain losses and explain away other losses

FFP is a joke that was introduced by Platini who wanted to curb the English and Spanish dominance in the CL - notice he has been extremely quiet about both PSG and Monaco

He announced yesterday that psg were under inspection. Same reason as city with dubious sponsorship deals.

I think ink personally clubs will accept warnings and fines. And bans and they'll legally challenge them.
I agree transfer bans are the way forward in my opinion, but they won't stick either, Barca have already circumvented ban. They'll just sign load this season, accept a window ban and be fine.

 

[Foxholer]

They will hand out fines and then carry in as normal

FFP is just a white rabbit

Clubs can just write off certain losses and explain away other losses

FFP is a joke that was introduced by Platini who wanted to curb the English and Spanish dominance in the CL - notice he has been extremely quiet about both PSG and Monaco

Lets just wait and see what the sanctions are first.

Apparently 20 clubs have breached the rules - including City and PSG.

Chelsea are Ok for now as they made a small (1.7M) profit 2 years ago.

With a nearly 50M recent loss, Liverpool will have to be careful next season.

If FFP can reduce the 'losses' that can simply be chucked in by the sugar-daddies, then it's a good thing imo. The sanctions have to be workable/enforceable though. And fines of the value they exceed the limit by wouldn't be too strong for UEFA comps imo! That would mean they have to think about the benefit of playing the lucrative Champions/UEFA Leagues.

For PL and Championship, the levels are much lower, but just as sensible imo. And it's to be hoped that a similar template can be used for lower level leagues too. But at that level fines are possibly less appropriate. It should put Football on a much more business-like basis.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He announced yesterday that psg were under inspection. Same reason as city with dubious sponsorship deals.

I think ink personally clubs will accept warnings and fines. And bans and they'll legally challenge them.
I agree transfer bans are the way forward in my opinion, but they won't stick either, Barca have already circumvented ban. They'll just sign load this season, accept a window ban and be fine.

Barce's transfer ban will be thrown out

The clubs will get a slap on the wrist and a little fine and thats it

Some clubs will find ways

In the reporting period that UEFA just looked at - Chelsea had losses of just over £50mil but we able to write off 16mil debt because of some accounting taking them below the £34mil threshold.

Until things like wage caps and transfer limits are brought in nothing will change

clubs will prob get fines of about £62,000 and thats it

 

[Birchy]

Points deductions is the only way imo.

Im not too concerned how clubs get around it as long as the massive debts are reduced for clubs therefore decreasing the risk of any going bust or stupidly down the pan a la Portsmouth then it can only be a good thing imo.

It wont solve all problems but it will help tidy things up a bit.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Points deductions is the only way imo.

Im not too concerned how clubs get around it as long as the massive debts are reduced for clubs therefore decreasing the risk of any going bust or stupidly down the pan a la Portsmouth then it can only be a good thing imo.

It wont solve all problems but it will help tidy things up a bit.

That would be the correct punishment but cant see it ever happening

The cant even punish clubs strict enough for racist and vile abuse from the fans - so i dont expect them to suddenly grow some balls and punish the clubs anything more than a fine.

 

[Birchy]

That would be the correct punishment but cant see it ever happening

The cant even punish clubs strict enough for racist and vile abuse from the fans - so i dont expect them to suddenly grow some balls and punish the clubs anything more than a fine.

Yeah I agree I cant see any meaningful punishment being dished out either.

The clubs have numerous cameras at football grounds and should be able to identify the culprits. A fair punishment for them would be death by vote. The fans get to decide how they go

 

[Imurg]

Maybe the only real sanction would be to let them get on with it, bankrupt themselves and have to fold.....

 

[Birchy]

Maybe the only real sanction would be to let them get on with it, bankrupt themselves and have to fold.....

Its other clubs trying to keep up by stretching as well though. Could see loads go bust.

There should be a salary cap and spending cap full stop imo but that will never happen while so many fat cats are coining in the dough from the game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Maybe the only real sanction would be to let them get on with it, bankrupt themselves and have to fold.....

The problem is these clubs won't go bust

The clubs below will trying to keep up with the big spenders - clubs spend millions to trying to stay in the prem

Agree with Birchy - a wage cps and transfer cap would be good. But what the limit is would take a lot of discussing

But it won't happen.

 

[c1973]

Money is ruining football imo, it's one of the main reasons I stopped going (lack of 3pm Sat kick offs due to TV) and I was at every game week in week out. What I'd like to see, but know it will not happen is;


Transfer spending cap on all clubs - Found to break it, points deduction. Break it twice, automatic relegation. Players a part of the deal? Expert panel to adjudicate their worth, taking age, previous transfer and current wage into account.

Squad limited to X amount of players - Should stop teams stockpiling top players and loaning them out.

Sponsorship funds limited - Say, average home crowd times X amount of £. This way bigger teams will still attract the best deals but it would be proportionate. Anyone found breaking it, points deduction for first season, automatic relegation if it happens the next year.

I reckon this would also help to curb the utterly ridiculous wages that some are getting and in turn make the game a bit more affordable to some. It's a pity but nothing will change despite UEFA/FIFA making noises about it.

Edit:

Also, I don't agree with a wages cap as such. What you need to do is create the environment where they are 'capped' naturally.

 

[drdel]

Placing a fine on the club will do nothing positive, it just increases their debt.

The management is responsible so unless you personally fine the manager(s) who are paid handsomely to take the responsible there is no incentive to change (just like fining banks and other organisations its a waste of time).

If you fine the people or make them liable they will change, if not, its just you or I who will pay through higher prices at the gate etc.

 

[Papas1982]

Maybe the only real sanction would be to let them get on with it, bankrupt themselves and have to fold.....

Maybe, but indint think that's gonna happen unless the billionaires get bored. I think the sanction will help keep plenty of clubs solvent as they'll accept more of an arsenal business model. Hopefully it'll just keep the oil rich teams slightly restricted and even the playing field a bit.

 

[bladeplayer]

Points deductions and exclusion from Champions League is all that will work , money means nothing to these multinational companies because that what they are now at the top level , the local football club dream is long over at the top level ..

Fining someone or some company who in their own words have already spent too much , how ironic eh ?

 

[Crazyface]

It's all ridiculous. They created the monster, tough. (not that I agree with it all) The sooner all those muppets at UEFA are removed the better. It's only because they all hate the English that they have come up with this anyway. The top teams should all just beak away from UEFA and form their own European league. That would be really funny, as it's what UEFA were hoping for anyway and would have no control over.

LMFAO

 

[pendodave]

Maybe the only real sanction would be to let them get on with it, bankrupt themselves and have to fold.....

Clubs going bankrupt is not really the 'clean' option it seems though. Whenever it happens local traders, employees, contractors etc are shafted and the big boys at the top get away scot free. There's no such thing as victimless crimes in footy.

 

[Andy808]

I think it will be fines this time round with more extensive punishments for repeat offending in the near future.

As for wage caps it can work, not only can it work it can work in favour of the game on the pitch as well.
If a wage cap was introduced but performance related bonuses were not then the better a player plays on the pitch the more they can earn. It also means clubs aren't paying out insane wages to players that are injured and only costing the club money in medical expenses and huge wages.

 

[Papas1982]

I think it will be fines this time round with more extensive punishments for repeat offending in the near future.

As for wage caps it can work, not only can it work it can work in favour of the game on the pitch as well.
If a wage cap was introduced but performance related bonuses were not then the better a player plays on the pitch the more they can earn. It also means clubs aren't paying out insane wages to players that are injured and only costing the club money in medical expenses and huge wages.

I think it's too late for wage caps. I mean where would you set the bar?
10k a week, 100k? Unless all leagues worldwide signed up (which they won't). Players would just follow the money. It was Italy in the early 90's and then England and Spain when sky came along.