Ferguson leaving Man Utd

[Papas1982]

I'm not doubting that, its the "Moyes hasn't spent money" theory that's being thrown about Willy nilly that I'm trying to expose.

I'm not sure a out everyone else, but I've not stated he hasn't paid out sums for players. But the simple fact is, even with the buys mentioned about, he's still had to trade at a deficit. Surely that earns him credit, for every 10m player he buys he has to sell to first teamers. The facts are quite plan to see. He has spent less on players than he's sold. And it's hardly like he took over a squad with 60 players in a just sold fringe players. Nobody from what I have seen has said he's the best manager in the world either. Just defended his record. I don't know anybody's allegiances, but I don't knowing neutral fans that think poorly of Moyes.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Everyone makes the odd dodgy purchase whether that is Fergie, Mourinho, Moyes etc.

Looking at your details I can see you are from Liverpool? I take it you are a red? If so surely you can appreciate Managers can make the odd error of judgement when purchasing players? Your lot have made more than their fair share.

I agree 100% with the above but every Liverpool manager with the exception of Hodgson(I still can't believe he was here) have all put silverware on the table and that for me is enough.

I am still annoyed at Rodgers for not taking the cups serious this season as I want trophys on the table year in year out not nice pass pass pass pass football. Win 5-0 one week and get beat 2-0 at home against west brom the next isn't good enough.

For example:
Dalglish will be remembered for signing Carroll @ £35m not winning a trophy.

Rafa takes too much stick for signing £20m Aquilani but in 5 years 3 trophys were put on the table.

Houllier put 6trophys on the table but is still slated for signing Diouf £12m.

My point is in 10 yrs of Moyes reign he's not put 1 trophy on the table, but still spent money on Yakubu £11m
Fellaini £15m Billyletdinov £9.5m etc etc

 

[LUFC 1972]

Two best moments of Fergie era .. York City winning 3-0 and Jermaine Beckford scoring a great goal for Leeds to win 1-0.. Good bye Fergie... suggest they bring in any manager who can catapult them down the league ...

 

[sam19113]

My point is in 10 yrs of Moyes reign he's not put 1 trophy on the table, but still spent money on Yakubu £11m
Fellaini £15m Billyletdinov £9.5m etc etc

I'm not sure you can use Fellaini as an example of spending too much money. I'm sure a lot of teams in the Premiership would pay £15m for him.

 

[In_The_Rough]

Carroll was a stupidly overpriced signing. However I do think he is decent and would have done a job for you. Got to be better than spending big on Borini and loanin Andy out surely. Kenny'sworst 2 buys were Downing and Henderson for the prices he paid for them two. Lost track on Rafa's signings think I would need an A4 pad for those but as you say he did get some trophies into the cabinet. But as you say Moyes has spent some money more than people think, did he not let Yak go for peanuts as well

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I'm not sure you can use Fellaini as an example of spending too much money. I'm sure a lot of teams in the Premiership would pay £15m for him.

I'm using fellaini as an example that Moyes has spent decent money on players over his reign. I'm not saying all of his signings are bad/great.

Its the myth that Moyes doesn't spend money that I'm using these examples that he has/does.

 

[tyke]

Two best moments of Fergie era .. York City winning 3-0 and Jermaine Beckford scoring a great goal for Leeds to win 1-0.. Good bye Fergie... suggest they bring in any manager who can catapult them down the league ...

As a York lad who was at both of them games, couldn't agree more

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Carroll was a stupidly overpriced signing. However I do think he is decent and would have done a job for you. Got to be better than spending big on Borini and loanin Andy out surely. Kenny'sworst 2 buys were Downing and Henderson for the prices he paid for them two. Lost track on Rafa's signings think I would need an A4 pad for those but as you say he did get some trophies into the cabinet. But as you say Moyes has spent some money more than people think, did he not let Yak go for peanuts as well

Couple of things with regards to Carroll, we were in a predicament as Torres wanted to go and the timing wasn't great but we needed a replacement. The main man JW Henry spoken publicly said as long as the profit was £15m between Carroll / Torres he was happy . I didn't agree but that's what it was.

As for henderson/downing comolli had a lot to do with them transfers aswell but I can't disagree with you though I like Henderson and time is on his side to improve.

The way Rodgers treated Carroll was an absoloute disgrace and to be fair his signings coutinho apart leave a lot to be desired.

I don't like Rodgers but I'll support him.

Rafa spent c.£350m but sold £270m over 5yrs won a European cup lost a another final but made us into the top side in Europe over a couple of seasons. Just missed out on the league aswell.

This has digressed a bit from the OT

All in all if Moyes goes there I'd be more bother that we can't compete with them even though they're weaker down to the fact Rodgers is there.

 

[Jdb2005]

I had this thought today also but felt this year was a year early for Lennon as he'll want to do 3IAR and another stint in the CL.

Neil Lennon - MEGALOLS

Him and McCoist are hopeless coaches who were appointed on the basis of them being cheap. Both tactically hopeless. Although a decent run in Europe for celtic this season I doubt it would happen again and is not Good enough for any club in England's top flight.

 

[gmc40]

I'm using fellaini as an example that Moyes has spent decent money on players over his reign. I'm not saying all of his signings are bad/great.

Its the myth that Moyes doesn't spend money that I'm using these examples that he has/does.

To get a realistic figure then look at his net expenditure. Then compare to other clubs. He's had to sell to purchase the players you refer to.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/

 

[Deleted member 1740]

To get a realistic figure then look at his net expenditure. Then compare to other clubs. He's had to sell to purchase the players you refer to.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/

His nett spend might be very low, but he has still spent money.

Example,

Rooney was sold for £20m he had that 20m to spend over 2 seasons, it didn't go to pay off debts.

When Rafa was at Liverpool he had to do exactly the same the only difference was he had the champions league money coming in every season.

How much have Swansea spent?

Not fortunes but they've still put a trophy in the cabinet.

Proof is there you don't have to spend millions and millions to win the league cup and that is my point.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Sad, sad day. Man U have lost their manager who has buggered up 17 champions league campaigns over the last 20 odd years, who fluked one with a great last 3 minutes, and the other because John Terry slipped over after a biblical rainstorm. Despite getting through countless group stages and many finals, semis and quarter finals.

Discuss.

I'll be back tomorrow.........if the internet hasn't broke.

Ni-night.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Sad, sad day. Man U have lost their manager who has buggered up 17 champions league campaigns over the last 20 odd years, who fluked one with a great last 3 minutes, and the other because John Terry slipped over after a biblical rainstorm. Despite getting through countless group stages and many finals, semis and quarter finals.

Discuss.

I'll be back tomorrow.........if the internet hasn't broke.

Ni-night.

You stole my thunder there plums, that was my next thread greatest ever manager?

 

[Liverbirdie]

I just thought I'd throw a bomb in. I do honestly think that he should have won more champs leagues, with the sides he had, the money he has had to spend, the positions he has been in.

However, he has been a fantastic manager in domestic terms, building about 4 new teams in the process. I hate him as a person and as a rival, but would have loved him if he would have managed our club.

I think Moyes has done a good job at Everton, not very good, and not only decent. Let's face it we will never know if he will do a good job, until given a job with good financial backing. I think he is a gamble though.

I think most Man U fans want someone who can win the euro cup, even if they didn't win the league for a year or to. That is the ultimate goal now, so I would have thought that Mourinho, Guardiola, Capello, Trappatoni, Hitzveld, Van Gaal or others would be more the level they need/want.

Managing Man U will also need a big character, and Fergie has had an easy ride (at times) through fear in the UK press corp. However, a few bad weeks with a new manager will see them go after a new manager, and I think only the likes of Mourinho, could maybe put up with this.

 

[thecraw]

Love reading bitter Pool fans views they always brighten up my day. Cheers Pete & Stu I'll be leaving the house today chuckling away. Its gonna be a lovely day.


SAF best manager in the world.

 

[Sharktooth]

It's Moyes

 

[pbrown7582]

Sad, sad day. Man U have lost their manager who has buggered up 17 champions league campaigns over the last 20 odd years, who fluked one with a great last 3 minutes, and the other because John Terry slipped over after a biblical rainstorm. Despite getting through countless group stages and many finals, semis and quarter finals.

Discuss.

I'll be back tomorrow.........if the internet hasn't broke.

Ni-night.

this is a very valid point and one that is very often over looked because of the domestic sucess, #20 :whoo:

but even this seasons defeat to madrid despite the awful sending off! :lol: there was a lack of european tactical nouse yes all was good for 60 mins but it all fell apart then and previously we were undone time and time again by supposed inferior teams but who proved to be tactical better on the night.

this said its been one hell of a ride these last 26 years 28 trophies and one perch knocking off!

and for that #thankyousiralex

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Love reading bitter Pool fans views they always brighten up my day. Cheers Pete & Stu I'll be leaving the house today chuckling away. Its gonna be a lovely day.


SAF best manager in the world.

Not bitter just opinionated!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Transfer +/-
£18m profit for Everton in the last 3 years
£21 loss for West Ham.

I know who I would appoint.

 

[Pin-seeker]