FAO any stat keepers

[HomerJSimpson]

I'm still in a minority that think the stats are a help and not a burden. My coach gets a download every month so he can see where I've been playing well and what areas are amiss and we can tweak my next lesson around the problem areas.

 

[Herbie]

If the stat worshipers were to make any genuine effort to make their stats accurate, then GIR is GIR and putting on the green is putting.

The comments I have read here show how fraudulent stats are in the hands of the average golfer.

Why pick and choose when you call GIR, GIR, and why pick and choose what you record as a putt or not a putt? I wish someone with the nouse at R&A headquaters would change it and simply say No of strokes to the green and No of strokes on the green, perhaps then people might get their stats more accurate?

HNJ. Whilst I maybe a stat worshiper. I'm guessing that you're not having a pop at me, as I believe I'm correct. If not please correct me.

What annoys me is when people claim to hit all GIRs because they count the fringe as green. I even knew one chap who used to count GS bunkers as GIR as they were part of the greens!! Oh, and people who count GIRs as net GIRs. What's the point?

Oh damn. Drawn right into this one again!

I should have been clearer, sorry, its aimed at those who choose what to call GIR or a green Putt? As far as stats go, and you may be surprised but I believe they do have their use, but only if they are accurate records and not a pick and mix variation creating a false record, thats when they become pointless.

 

[toonarmy]

I'm of the opinion that you need to keep your stats the same way they do for the pros otherwise how can you compare?

If you use SS2, then it sets your targets on that basis.

There's no point me putting myself down for 34 putts if that's how many times I've used the putter when a pro would only be down for taking 29 putts on the same basis is there?

 

[SS2]

GIR = Green In Regulation therefore if your ball is on the green in par minus 2 (AKA the definition of regulation), it's a GIR. If not, it's not a GIR. How that affects your GIR/putting stats is not relevant, it is a statement of fact.

If you miss the fairway by 2 inches but you hit a great drive, it's still a fairway missed. You may feel hard done to but you missed the fairway. Phone the Complaints Hotline and have a moan but it won't make any difference.

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To those who say "pah, I know my own game and don't need stats to tell em where I am going wrong" I say GO FOR IT: if you can identify where your game is weak and you strive to improve that part of your game, good luck to you.

To those who do use stats: use them wisely, don't try to trick yourself into thinking that you are better than you actually are. Use the generally accepted standards:

Ball on the FW off the tee = fairway hit. Otherwise: miss

Ball on the green in (Par-2) or less: Green hit in regulation. Otherwise, green missed

Shots taken with putter: If on green, counts as a putt. If not on green, does not count as a putt.

gl
Andy

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think that is a fairly conclusive argument. Thanks Andy. I'm certainly with you on the fairways hit (I've had several that have been maybe six inches into the semi but not counted)

 

[haplesshacker]

SS2. I think you've put it more sicinctly(sp) than I managed to.

 

[funkyfred]

GIR = Green In Regulation therefore if your ball is on the green in par minus 2 (AKA the definition of regulation), it's a GIR. If not, it's not a GIR. How that affects your GIR/putting stats is not relevant, it is a statement of fact.

If you miss the fairway by 2 inches but you hit a great drive, it's still a fairway missed. You may feel hard done to but you missed the fairway. Phone the Complaints Hotline and have a moan but it won't make any difference.

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To those who say "pah, I know my own game and don't need stats to tell em where I am going wrong" I say GO FOR IT: if you can identify where your game is weak and you strive to improve that part of your game, good luck to you.

To those who do use stats: use them wisely, don't try to trick yourself into thinking that you are better than you actually are. Use the generally accepted standards:

Ball on the FW off the tee = fairway hit. Otherwise: miss

Ball on the green in (Par-2) or less: Green hit in regulation. Otherwise, green missed

Shots taken with putter: If on green, counts as a putt. If not on green, does not count as a putt.

gl
Andy

Yes Andy i agree except for the GIR piece. Why should I as an 26 h/c be expected to reach greens in exactly the same amount of shots as an professional. If a pro takes a 4 on a par 4 hole and plays it in regulation, fairway, green, 2 putts and I take a 5 (net 4) again in regulation fairway, fringe, chip and 2 putts whats the difference?

I think, as someone said earlier so long as you keep YOUR statistics the same and not change the criteria then you can see if you are improving or not.

 

[haplesshacker]

The problem FF is that as your h'cap changes, so does the goal posts on your stat keeping. Particularly GIR.

I know in my head that I get 'x' number of shots on any given hole. So that's actually what I play too (or at least try to!). But for the record keeping. It's all marked as gross. At least then I can compare my GIR with anyone else.