FA Cup Final

[Papas1982]

believe we would have finished above Arsenal 4 or 5 times in the last ten years but the point is moot the other teams were in the league

Moot it is. For the record, since wenger took over you've finished above them 3 times. All of which arsenal have still gained champions league football.

Granted im im sure the fans would swap a few years participation for the trophy. But with out he constant fourth place and up, they'd not be where they are today.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Arsenals net spend is less than 30 mil you brought cups up or I assume that is what you meant by Liverpools 3 major trophies given you have never won the premier league

What did she wear ??
She wore, she wore,
She wore a yellow ribbon,
She wore a yellow ribbon,
In the merry month of May!
And when, I asked,
Oh why she wore her ribbon,
She said it’s for The Arsenal,
And we’re going to Wembley!
Wembley,
Wembley,
We’re the famous Arsenal,
And we’re going to Wembley!

One of those was the CL - how many of them have you won

Your net spend this season was bigger than ours - yet you finished below us

 

[Papas1982]

Again Liverpool are irrelevant to the subject at hand - not sure why you keep mentioning them if only to deflect from the subject

Arsenal in the last 3 season have spent just under £150 mil

Do you really believe winning a KO cup is relevant to the league ? He is a genuis who has won one cup in ten years ?

Any trophy counts. Or was Rafa a failure at Liverpool as he only won cups? Al be it a lot of them.

In the grant scheme of things, I think there would be more fans upset than happy if he walked or was sacked. Maybe the arsenal fans consider fourth relative success and maybe they don't. But I'd imagine they're are quite a few fans that would settle for arsenals recent failures.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Moot it is. For the record, since wenger took over you've finished above them 3 times. All of which arsenal have still gained champions league football.

Granted im im sure the fans would swap a few years participation for the trophy. But with out he constant fourth place and up, they'd not be where they are today.

For the record including this season its 4 times

Again if the ambition of the club is just to gain CL footy every year then Wenger is a genius - i know i would aim a little bit higher when im forking out for the most expensive tickets in Uk football

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Any trophy counts. Or was Rafa a failure at Liverpool as he only won cups? Al be it a lot of them.

In the grant scheme of things, I think there would be more fans upset than happy if he walked or was sacked. Maybe the arsenal fans consider fourth relative success and maybe they don't. But I'd imagine they're are quite a few fans that would settle for arsenals recent failures.

Again who mentioned failure and who mentioned Rafa ?!

 

[Papas1982]

Again who mentioned failure and who mentioned Rafa ?!

Ok a lack of success then, not failure.
And I mentioned Rafa as, you sarcastically called him genius for winning a cup comp claiming it had no relevance to the league. I'd argue with bug clubs, success breeds more success.

So was just curious how you viewed Liverpool during rafas reign. A success because of the irrelevant cup wins, or a lack of success due to your failure to win a title?

 

[garyinderry]

david moyes has proved that 4th place is a lot harder than it looks. spurs have been knocking on the door for years and havnt managed to dislodge their neighbours.


the oil men have ruined wenger's last decade. he hasn helped himself at times. the team was and is still crying out for certain types of players but he seems blind to it.

glad wenger has won yet another trophy. lets hope the next one wont be so far away.

 

[jp5]

david moyes has proved that 4th place is a lot harder than it looks. spurs have been knocking on the door for years and havnt managed to dislodge their neighbours.


the oil men have ruined wenger's last decade. he hasn helped himself at times. the team was and is still crying out for certain types of players but he seems blind to it.

glad wenger has won yet another trophy. lets hope the next one wont be so far away.

Nice balanced view :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ok a lack of success then, not failure.
And I mentioned Rafa as, you sarcastically called him genius for winning a cup comp claiming it had no relevance to the league. I'd argue with bug clubs, success breeds more success.

So was just curious how you viewed Liverpool during rafas reign. A success because of the irrelevant cup wins, or a lack of success due to your failure to win a title?

Rafas reign started great but we didnt push on from winning the Cl and FA Cup in his first two season and ultimately his fight with the owners cost him his job. I would have liked to have seen what he would have done with our current owners. So in 5 years Rafa won more than Wenger including the biggest club trophy in Europe.

Agin it doesnt take away from the fact in ten years Arsenal have had no serious title challenges and have won one FA Cup and people are calling Wenger a genuis ? I havent called him a failure or anything like that but i would expect a lot more from a genius and certainly would expect more if paying as much as Arsenal fans have.

 

[garyinderry]

Nice balanced view :thup:

I am an arsenal fan. ive had plenty of time to mull it over down the years!

 

[Papas1982]

For the record including this season its 4 times

Again if the ambition of the club is just to gain CL footy every year then Wenger is a genius - i know i would aim a little bit higher when im forking out for the most expensive tickets in Uk football

Fair point. 4 it is. Forgot your 2nd place to UTD.

I don't think the season price has too much to do with success or failure. You can watch UTD (might not want to this year) for less than West Ham.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Fair point. 4 it is. Forgot your 2nd place to UTD.

I don't think the season price has too much to do with success or failure. You can watch UTD (might not want to this year) for less than West Ham.

Man Utd get 70 plus thousand in hence the price of the season tickets but rumours of it increasing to balance the lack of CL.

If you want the club to just qualify for the CL and thats it then Arsenal fans will be happy - if you want more than that then Arsenal fans wont be happy. A lot of more of the second type have certainly surfaced over the last 12 months.

Perfect example is the signing of Ozil - at the beginning of the season the one type of player they didnt need was a lightweight small attacking mid - Wenger went and spent £30 plus million on one and ignored the obvious gaps in the squad

 

[Papas1982]

Man Utd get 70 plus thousand in hence the price of the season tickets but rumours of it increasing to balance the lack of CL.

If you want the club to just qualify for the CL and thats it then Arsenal fans will be happy - if you want more than that then Arsenal fans wont be happy. A lot of more of the second type have certainly surfaced over the last 12 months.

Perfect example is the signing of Ozil - at the beginning of the season the one type of player they didnt need was a lightweight small attacking mid - Wenger went and spent £30 plus million on one and ignored the obvious gaps in the squad

Most managers have footballing philosophies that they follow though. Saints needed a decent centre back at start of season but we signed so also for silly money instead because Pochettino rated him. That was a failure but I'll still not criticise him for it.

I agree re they needed a ball winner, but when Ramsey was in his purple patch if that's what it was. Nobody was saying they needed a ball winner then as flamini was adequate. Arsenal needed a marque signing and they got one. Next season will show if he was worth it or not.

Re old trafford. I think it's more a case of location than size. Tickets are cheaper up north than London. I'm not sure UTD under the glaziers would be selling tickets in the cheap just because of volume.

 

[chrisd]

Well I'm delighted Hull got beat!

As a Palace fan I could never forgive that big fat arse Bruce for walking out on us when he did and going to a " bigger" club - Birmingham ! On his first return to Selhurst, he got the most abuse I've ever heard metted out to anyone from a normally tolerant crowd. This year we beat Hull at home so he was gutted!

Up the Gunners!

 

[ToddM1985]

Seems Arsenal are getting hammered tonight, they have won more trophy than a few bigger clubs this year.

 

[MegaSteve]

About time the FA sorted out the ticket allocation :angry:...

 

[sawtooth]

Well off course if you take away other clubs it will look rosey !! Take away those clubs and we would have won the title about 3 or 4 times in that period !!
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Yep the 3 clubs that happen to have extreme wealth, willing to spend as much as it takes to sign the worlds best players.

And most of the players that have left Arsenal have left because they cant win a trophy at Arsenal? Are you really that naïve? They left for more money period. (Fabregas and Henry notable exceptions).

If Arsenal had spent as much as the big 3 they would have kept Nasri, Van Persie, Clichy, Cole, Flamini, Adebayor, etc etc. We could have also added players like Hazard and Dzeko. But no they had their heads turned by money and as a result , Wengers teams were weaker and the rival super rich teams grew stronger.

Despite the obvious gap in financial power compared to the other 3 teams , Wenger's Arsenal teams have always been competitive and play attractive football to boot. He hasn't done that all that bad all things considered.

Hopefully FFP will help level the playing field for Arsenal and the likes of Liverpool, Everton, Spurs,....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yep the 3 clubs that happen to have extreme wealth, willing to spend as much as it takes to sign the worlds best players.

And most of the players that have left Arsenal have left because they cant win a trophy at Arsenal? Are you really that naïve? They left for more money period. (Fabregas and Henry notable exceptions).

If Arsenal had spent as much as the big 3 they would have kept Nasri, Van Persie, Clichy, Cole, Flamini, Adebayor, etc etc. We could have also added players like Hazard and Dzeko. But no they had their heads turned by money and as a result , Wengers teams were weaker and the rival super rich teams grew stronger.

Despite the obvious gap in financial power compared to the other 3 teams , Wenger's Arsenal teams have always been competitive and play attractive football to boot. He hasn't done that all that bad all things considered.

Hopefully FFP will help level the playing field for Arsenal and the likes of Liverpool, Everton, Spurs,....

Lots of "coulds" "ifs" and "hopes" in there. We managed to be competitive this season against the super rich teams and play attractive football and added a real title challenge into the equation.

You can suggest the players left for money but look at the trophies they have won since they left

Cole, Fabregas, Rvp , Nasri ,Adebayor etc have all left and gone on to win titles and CL.

Wenger as you say "hasnt done all that bad" but is that the level of your expectation ? "all that bad"

 

[jp5]

And most of the players that have left Arsenal have left because they cant win a trophy at Arsenal? Are you really that naïve? They left for more money period. (Fabregas and Henry notable exceptions).

If Arsenal had spent as much as the big 3 they would have kept Nasri, Van Persie, Clichy, Cole, Flamini, Adebayor, etc etc. We could have also added players like Hazard and Dzeko. But no they had their heads turned by money and as a result , Wengers teams were weaker and the rival super rich teams grew stronger.

van Persie would have stayed at Arsenal purely for more money? I'm not so sure. At some point more money has little meaning to these multi-millionaire footballers and I'm sure someone with the talent of van Persie wants to be winning Championships, not Emirates Cups.

I think van Persie made up his mind a few years back when we'd just drawn level with Utd with 10 mins to go, and Wenger took off Oxlade-Chamberlain (our best player on the night) for the lazy Russian.

Until Wenger addresses the weaknesses in the squad, Arsenal will remain a feeder club to the elite teams.

 

[Papas1982]

Yep the 3 clubs that happen to have extreme wealth, willing to spend as much as it takes to sign the worlds best players.

And most of the players that have left Arsenal have left because they cant win a trophy at Arsenal? Are you really that naïve? They left for more money period. (Fabregas and Henry notable exceptions).

If Arsenal had spent as much as the big 3 they would have kept Nasri, Van Persie, Clichy, Cole, Flamini, Adebayor, etc etc. We could have also added players like Hazard and Dzeko. But no they had their heads turned by money and as a result , Wengers teams were weaker and the rival super rich teams grew stronger.

Despite the obvious gap in financial power compared to the other 3 teams , Wenger's Arsenal teams have always been competitive and play attractive football to boot. He hasn't done that all that bad all things considered.

Hopefully FFP will help level the playing field for Arsenal and the likes of Liverpool, Everton, Spurs,....

To be fair, UTD shouldn't be classed alongside Chelsea and City.