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FA Cup Final

Coming out of the financial constraints they have been under since the move the highest points total for six seasons first trophy for nine definitely moving forward,

lets talk about Liverpools failure to win the league this season despite having the 2 highest scorers in the league, playing 12 games less than any of the other big clubs and leading with four games to go, Gerrard will not be the same player next season knowing he blew his chance at the title.
 
Papas1982 said:
If he'd played like it all season then yes. Yaya was the best midfielder IMO mainly as when it counted he was there. Obviusly it was unfortunate, but when Ramsey was needed he was on the physios table. A full season fit next year and he surely will take that crown.
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Are you saying that Ramsey will be better than Toure ?

Based on a hot streak of a couple of months ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do you really belive in the last ten years ( since they last won the title ) they have moved forward on the pitch - yes off it you turn a nice profit , great for a business but as a football team ?

In those ten years how many real title challenges has Arsenal mustered ?

Do you support the business or the football team ?
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Surely there's got to be a comprise somewhere though Phil. During that time, to keep up her of had to of spent how many more £100m. Something they didn't have and that still wouldn't of guaranteed success. I imagine most arsenal supporters would prefer a team where they are, than one that chased if for a few years. Failed and had to sell players to survive.

Imo whilst it it hasn't been a great period of success, sight the financial constraints he's been under, I wouldn't call finishing in the top four a flfailure. Certainly not compared to a number of clubs that have spent just as much and some considerably more.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do you really belive in the last ten years ( since they last won the title ) they have moved forward on the pitch - yes off it you turn a nice profit , great for a business but as a football team ?

In those ten years how many real title challenges has Arsenal mustered ?

Do you support the business or the football team ?
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If you take Man U, Chelsea and City out of the picture then we haven't done too bad in the league over the years. In the history of the club the last decade hasn't been the most fruitful in terms of winning pots, but its been a massive success in every other respect. I think Arsenal can go on and be successful (football-wise) in the next 10 years due to the tremendous work Wenger has done.

Whoever takes over from Wenger will find a club in far better shape than it was back in 1996.
 
freddielong said:
Coming out of the financial constraints they have been under since the move the highest points total for six seasons first trophy for nine definitely moving forward,

lets talk about Liverpools failure to win the league this season despite having the 2 highest scorers in the league, playing 12 games less than any of the other big clubs and leading with four games to go, Gerrard will not be the same player next season knowing he blew his chance at the title.
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Liverpool are irrelevant to the subject.

You spent over £30 plus million on one player last summer ?! Financial constraints ?! Wenger has spent money.

So in ten year how many serious title challenges has Wenger mustered ?
 
sawtooth said:
If you take Man U, Chelsea and City out of the picture then we haven't done too bad in the league over the years. In the history of the club the last decade hasn't been the most fruitful in terms of winning pots, but its been a massive success in every other respect. I think Arsenal can go on and be successful (football-wise) in the next 10 years due to the tremendous work Wenger has done.

Whoever takes over from Wenger will find a club in far better shape than it was back in 1996.
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Well off course if you take away other clubs it will look rosey !! Take away those clubs and we would have won the title about 3 or 4 times in that period !!

Every year its the same story though - foundations been built for the future - ten years and no serious title challenges from Wengers teams - the same gaps in the squad since his big players retired.
 
Papas1982 said:
Surely there's got to be a comprise somewhere though Phil. During that time, to keep up her of had to of spent how many more £100m. Something they didn't have and that still wouldn't of guaranteed success. I imagine most arsenal supporters would prefer a team where they are, than one that chased if for a few years. Failed and had to sell players to survive.

Imo whilst it it hasn't been a great period of success, sight the financial constraints he's been under, I wouldn't call finishing in the top four a flfailure. Certainly not compared to a number of clubs that have spent just as much and some considerably more.
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When did i say "failure" ?

In ten years Arsenal have had zero serious title challenges. I wouldnt be happy with that.
 
Papas1982 said:
Do find it interesting how Wenger has fluttered from useless to great and back again since opening day though.

Fickle bunch is fans.
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Not really, I think you find most true fans hold a belief that doesn't sway too much by the current form of the team. It's just when the team is struggling the media pick up on the Wenger dissenters and vice versa.

As an Arsenal fan I am happy for Wenger that he has finally got this monkey off his back, you could see the relief in his face.

I'd like to see him bow out on a high with grace as I don't see him being the man to take the team forward. Top of the league in January with only one striker and knowing Walcott would be out for the rest of the season, it was inexcusable not to have strengthened. On top of that, Wenger tactically has fallen behind and the three away thumpings at the title contenders show it.

Of course, a FA Cup & Champions League is a great season, and Wenger will be in charge for as long as he brings in the Champions League money as that is the goal of the club nowadays.
 
freddielong said:
We spent money but only money we have recouped from selling players our net spend is tiny
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And why have those players left - and have they been replaced successfully ?

Look at the players that have left and the reasons why - lack of success on the field
 
freddielong said:
Liverpools spend over the Time Wenger has been in charge Dwarfs Arsenals yet they have never ever ever never ever not even once won the premier league
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And im not happy about us not winnign the Prem

But in the last ten years we have mustered two serious challenges to the title and won 3 trophies.

You can keep bringing up Liverpool but it still doesnt take away the lack of success of Wengers teams on the pitch in the last ten years,
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Are you saying that Ramsey will be better than Toure ?

Based on a hot streak of a couple of months ?
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im im saying that the form he showed during that period was better than what yaya produced. But yaya produced it for longer. Hence me saying he (yaya) was the better midfielder this season.
I also said if ramsy does it next year season, all season then his performances would make him the better player.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Well off course if you take away other clubs it will look rosey !! Take away those clubs and we would have won the title about 3 or 4 times in that period !!

Every year its the same story though - foundations been built for the future - ten years and no serious title challenges from Wengers teams - the same gaps in the squad since his big players retired.
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think you'll find you'd still have finished 2nd to arsenal, this season excluded.
 
Papas1982 said:
im im saying that the form he showed during that period was better than what yaya produced. But yaya produced it for longer. Hence me saying he (yaya) was the better midfielder this season.
I also said if ramsy does it next year season, all season then his performances would make him the better player.
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Sorry but Ramsey whilst having a little hot spell needs to produce it for more than one season to be called a better player than Yaya Toure !!
 
Papas1982 said:
think you'll find you'd still have finished 2nd to arsenal, this season excluded.
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believe we would have finished above Arsenal 4 or 5 times in the last ten years but the point is moot the other teams were in the league
 
Arsene is doing a very good job to keep Arsenal in the top 4 with the financial constraints they have had with the overall net spend they have had is extraordinary, he is a genius we are coming out of that cloud now and I 100% we will win more trophies.

On the other hand Liverpool had everything in place this season the even had no European games to get in the way and they still blew it. Why was Rogers unable to stop that come back by palace ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry but Ramsey whilst having a little hot spell needs to produce it for more than one season to be called a better player than Yaya Toure !!
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The original point was for best midfielder of the season. If Ramsey out performs him next season. Then he would be the better player that year, his past counts for nothing in that score.

I havent said that ramsey is or would be the better player as far as they're reputations are concerned.
 
freddielong said:
Arsene is doing a very good job to keep Arsenal in the top 4 with the financial constraints they have had with the overall net spend they have had is extraordinary, he is a genius we are coming out of that cloud now and I 100% we will win more trophies.

On the other hand Liverpool had everything in place this season the even had no European games to get in the way and they still blew it. Why was Rogers unable to stop that come back by palace ?
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Again Liverpool are irrelevant to the subject at hand - not sure why you keep mentioning them if only to deflect from the subject

Arsenal in the last 3 season have spent just under £150 mil

Do you really believe winning a KO cup is relevant to the league ? He is a genuis who has won one cup in ten years ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Again Liverpool are irrelevant to the subject at hand - not sure why you keep mentioning them if only to deflect from the subject

Arsenal in the last 3 season have spent just under £150 mil

Do you really believe winning a KO cup is relevant to the league ? He is a genuis who has won one cup in ten years ?
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Arsenals net spend is less than 30 mil you brought cups up or I assume that is what you meant by Liverpools 3 major trophies given you have never won the premier league

What did she wear ??
She wore, she wore,
She wore a yellow ribbon,
She wore a yellow ribbon,
In the merry month of May!
And when, I asked,
Oh why she wore her ribbon,
She said it’s for The Arsenal,
And we’re going to Wembley!
Wembley,
Wembley,
We’re the famous Arsenal,
And we’re going to Wembley!
 
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