F1 2021

[bobmac]

Time to dial down the sensitivity level

I will, if you stop telling me I'm wrong and trying to educate me on facts I already know.

 

[bobmac]

Max wants No. 1

Max Verstappen will change his Red Bull car number from No. 33 to No. 1 after becoming world champion for the first time in his career, according to Lewis Larkam of Crash.net.

“How many times can you do that?" Verstappen said. "Maybe it’s the only time I can in my life. It’s the best number out there, so I will definitely put it on the car.”



https://www.si.com/racing/2021/12/1...pen will change his,Lewis Larkam of Crash.net.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Max wants No. 1

Max Verstappen will change his Red Bull car number from No. 33 to No. 1 after becoming world champion for the first time in his career, according to Lewis Larkam of Crash.net.

“How many times can you do that?" Verstappen said. "Maybe it’s the only time I can in my life. It’s the best number out there, so I will definitely put it on the car.”



https://www.si.com/racing/2021/12/13/max-verstappen-red-bull-car-number-change-world-championship-title-defense-2022#:~:text=Max Verstappen to Change His Car Number After Becoming Formula 1 World Champion&text=Max Verstappen will change his,Lewis Larkam of Crash.net.

That's how it always used to be, why the zippy?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

The lawyer was there as a guest of the team. If not, and was there as part of the team. I call that being prepared after some of the decisions we’ve seen this season.

Could you tell me a time when F1 wasn’t about employing the best technology and strategy? Or when every race was full of overtaking and last lap wins?

All of the contrived entertainment that people seem to want from F1 is available in any number of other race series, yet nobody watches them. Funny that!

Like a few others on here I am a fan of the sport more than I am a particular driver or team. That might be difficult to understand for some of the football fans on here.
What we’ve seen from Brazil concluding with the farce yesterday was not the F1 I want to watch.

People complain that it’s boring with Lewis winning all the time, clearly only see the results. The last 5 seasons have had some incredible racing, certainly some of the best I have seen.
F1 is about which team can build the fastest most reliable car to put the best driver in. Mercedes and Lewis have been the best at doing that there has ever been.

I was looking forward to the change in regulations shaking things up next season. But I hope Mercedes turn up next season and destroy the competition again.

I have to ask how old you are to feel like that, I'm mid 50s and couldn't agree less with you. Since the beginning of the Schumi era F1 has largely been a monotonous procession, so we're talking 20+ years

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I have to ask how old you are to feel like that, I'm mid 50s and couldn't agree less with you. Since the beginning of the Schumi era F1 has largely been a monotonous procession, so we're talking 20+ years

I’ve watched pretty much every race since some time in the early 80s. A time when either half the cars would break down or the winner would be 3 laps ahead of everyone else.

The refuelling times were the worst for me.

Yes Mercedes have dominated the results, but the racing at many a GP has been fantastic. There are the usual dull ones, but fewer than in previous times.

 

[Swango1980]

I’ve watched pretty much every race since some time in the early 80s. A time when either half the cars would break down or the winner would be 3 laps ahead of everyone else.

The refuelling times were the worst for me.

Yes Mercedes have dominated the results, but the racing at many a GP has been fantastic. There are the usual dull ones, but fewer than in previous times.

I suspect people will watch the odd full race in the present, then they think back to one or 2 particular highlights that occured many years ago. They forget about all the historic dull moments.

It probably like anything when looking back to the "good old days". People have selective memories, and completely erase all the shocking and dull moments that happened in between the few highlights.

 

[harpo_72]

I’ve watched pretty much every race since some time in the early 80s. A time when either half the cars would break down or the winner would be 3 laps ahead of everyone else.

The refuelling times were the worst for me.

Yes Mercedes have dominated the results, but the racing at many a GP has been fantastic. There are the usual dull ones, but fewer than in previous times.

If you were watching for that period of time, what was your opinion of the tyre rule change in 2005/2006 where it was single use?

 

[harpo_72]

By the way has Sainz appealed about the safety car and back markers ? As he was directly impacted.

 

[harpo_72]

I have to ask how old you are to feel like that, I'm mid 50s and couldn't agree less with you. Since the beginning of the Schumi era F1 has largely been a monotonous procession, so we're talking 20+ years

It was about race budgets really. They tried to control them but in the end they realised the accounting was too creative. They limited testing, but we were 6days a week testing in Fiorano .. and when they limited that we tested during public events or special occasions.. we never stopped.
So now they have tried to reduce cost with engine freezing, aero package limitations etc … but in the end the more sophisticated aero teams benefit and the engine freeze has locked in an engineering advantage.
Customer engines are not the same as lead team engines, they are dialled back, the customer team has a few contractual obligations such as driver selection and in cases tyre data… they are not competing, they rarely have.
The cost wouldn’t have been an issue if the cigarette money hadn’t been stopped .. a couple of the old engineers will tell you about the wages back then and the bonuses .. it was a good era

 

[Deleted member 29109]

If you were watching for that period of time, what was your opinion of the tyre rule change in 2005/2006 where it was single use?

Wasn’t great hence it got binned pretty quickly. However with refuelling there were still pit stops, which add to the strategy.

Current rules around tyre use aren’t too bad, despite the tyres themselves now being great.

Sainz has said the decision was wrong and Ferrari are not happy with it. But as far as I know there has been no protest.

 

[harpo_72]

Wasn’t great hence it got binned pretty quickly. However with refuelling there were still pit stops, which add to the strategy.

Current rules around tyre use aren’t too bad, despite the tyres themselves now being great.

Sainz has said the decision was wrong and Ferrari are not happy with it. But as far as I know there has been no protest.

The single tyre use got introduced to give the Michelin a chance, some one very astute saw the difference between the two brands.
Then when Bridgestone got their act together- there was a bit of fun in Imola in 2005 .. Alonso defended fantastically- the race alone is well worth watching again.
But Brazil 2006 the writing was on the wall for Michelin they were going to struggle for n 2007 so they managed to curtail the contract and leave .. which was a shame as a tyre war is awesome.
Pirelli are just producing the cheapest tyres out and have actually succumbed to pressure from the teams where they bring 3 specs ..under monopoly we only bought 2 compounds and the race teams had to make them work. It is a hard line to walk because the fast cars want hard because they generate down force and temperature to get the grip and the slower cars want soft because they cannot.

Sainz hasn’t objected, which means Ferrari are happy with the results. Had they objected I suspect the comment would have been accepted

 

[Swango1980]

The single tyre use got introduced to give the Michelin a chance, some one very astute saw the difference between the two brands.
Then when Bridgestone got their act together- there was a bit of fun in Imola in 2005 .. Alonso defended fantastically- the race alone is well worth watching again.
But Brazil 2006 the writing was on the wall for Michelin they were going to struggle for n 2007 so they managed to curtail the contract and leave .. which was a shame as a tyre war is awesome.
Pirelli are just producing the cheapest tyres out and have actually succumbed to pressure from the teams where they bring 3 specs ..under monopoly we only bought 2 compounds and the race teams had to make them work. It is a hard line to walk because the fast cars want hard because they generate down force and temperature to get the grip and the slower cars want soft because they cannot.

Sainz hasn’t objected, which means Ferrari are happy with the results. Had they objected I suspect the comment would have been accepted

No idea what Ferrari's opinion is, but what do they have to gain!? If they formally objected, realistically all they are doing is supporting Mercedes objection, because there is nothing really in it for them. Unless they want Masi out.

I can guarantee you, if Sainz had been fighting for the title, they would have been equally as infuriated. Or, if it potentially caused them to finish further down in the constructors title, they would also be objecting. Even if it was much earlier in the season, there would be a good chance they'd object.

 

[harpo_72]

No idea what Ferrari's opinion is, but what do they have to gain!? If they formally objected, realistically all they are doing is supporting Mercedes objection, because there is nothing really in it for them. Unless they want Masi out.

I can guarantee you, if Sainz had been fighting for the title, they would have been equally as infuriated. Or, if it potentially caused them to finish further down in the constructors title, they would also be objecting. Even if it was much earlier in the season, there would be a good chance they'd object.

Yeah they don’t care .. or they would have appealed .. and they are the ones who can force an appeal as they were “affected” Mercedes are just using it as an excuse to overturn the result that they don’t like. That’s all it is, I wonder if Mercedes have had a discreet chat with Ferrari… these things happen so it might be worth waiting for.

 

[Foxholer]

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Sainz hasn’t objected, which means Ferrari are happy with the results. Had they objected I suspect the comment would have been accepted

Not necessarily so! Your later statement 'They don't care' is probably closer to their attitude imo.

 

[harpo_72]

Not necessarily so!

Alright they did not contest the championship so they are not really “happy “ but they have not raised an appeal… yet, and that speaks volumes.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Not necessarily so! Your later statement 'They don't care' is probably closer to their attitude imo.

ferrari aren’t going to complain with nothing in it for them, it would cause a massive ruck with Red bull and the FIA that they just don’t need. If he’d been overtaken as a consequence of the back markers, they might well have complained.

sainz has made his thoughts clear though, exactly why all cars should have been cleared before restarting (or not).

I suspect most teams care about what happened, but they’re not going to come out publicly about it even if they raise it with the FIA behind closed doors.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Alright they did not contest the championship so they are not really “happy “ but they have not raised an appeal… yet, and that speaks volumes.

Speaks volumes about what? What did Ferrari lose other than a small chance of finishing 2nd which would make no material difference them? Ferrari will be more than happy about the 3rd place.

There are some interesting videos of the teams radio comms during the safety car and after the race. It’s fair to say there isn’t much in the way of support for the decisions Masi made.

There are very few people from what I’ve seen who think what happened was in any way right. And I see Bernie has come out and said the result was fair. If that’s not a red flag I don’t know what is ?

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Speaks volumes about what? What did Ferrari lose other than a small chance of finishing 2nd which would make no material difference them? Ferrari will be more than happy about the 3rd place.

There are some interesting videos of the teams radio comms during the safety car and after the race. It’s fair to say there isn’t much in the way of support for the decisions Masi made.

There are very few people from what I’ve seen who think what happened was in any way right. And I see Bernie has come out and said the result was fair. If that’s not a red flag I don’t know what is ?

Haha - I was going to say the same about Bernie. If ever proof was required that the wrong decision has been made that is it!

 

[Swango1980]

Yeah they don’t care .. or they would have appealed .. and they are the ones who can force an appeal as they were “affected” Mercedes are just using it as an excuse to overturn the result that they don’t like. That’s all it is, I wonder if Mercedes have had a discreet chat with Ferrari… these things happen so it might be worth waiting for.

What. I don't quite get the context of your sentence. Are you saying Mercedes were not "affected" by Masi's decision?

 

[harpo_72]

What. I don't quite get the context of your sentence. Are you saying Mercedes were not "affected" by Masi's decision?

They don’t have any case for the Sainz situation… and if you were not such a bobble hat you would see the pragmatism in it all .
Lewis lost, give it up, he had no response because he was on a risky long stint .. it’s happened in the past and it will happen again in the future..
On that note I am out and leave you all to argue the toss and I will watch if the appeal ever happens ( suspect it won’t as they have an agreement to race.. they will talk about a break away series , like they always do .. but in the end it will be here next year as sure as eggs is eggs)