EVEL - Not Worthy of Full Debate!

Doon frae Troon said:
My link shows support for the SNP. That would be the party that wishes Independence for Scotland.
Mind you there are some weird folk like me who support the SNP but would rather have devo max within a UK structure.

Also interesting from your You Gov poll was that Yes has increased it's support by 12 points and the No has lost 3 points from Jan 2014.

As the say momentum in politics is a strange thing.
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Thank you for confirming that the link you posted does not support your statement re. a majority of Scots now support Independence.

The link I posted to opinion polls carried out throughout 2015 suggests that current support is the same as it was in Sept 2014 when the No's won.
 
Paul77 said:
If we can't have a say or a vote on what goes n down south, then is it fair that we help pay for anything that comes out of it as a result? I.E. things that only affect England. Why should Wales, NI and Scotland pay for that? Works the other way around too. This is why it's all totally bonkers.
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But you already do...there are 533 English MPs out of 650 - anything England really wants it can already get - all that is required is for one party in England to have a large enough majority or for the parties to agree, and there would be nothing Scotland (NI and Wales) could do about it.
 
ger147 said:
Thank you for confirming that the link you posted does not support your statement re. a majority of Scots now support Independence.

The link I posted to opinion polls carried out throughout 2015 suggests that current support is the same as it was in Sept 2014 when the No's won.
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Shall we wait and see what the next one is;)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Wouldn't take much though - a 0.1% increase in support for independence would yield over 4000 votes (that'll take care of Doon's A few thousands more after yesterday.)
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It would need a 5.1% increase for the "majority of Scots" statement to be true which it clearly isn't at present.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Wouldn't take much though - a 0.1% increase in support for independence would yield over 4000 votes (that'll take care of Doon's A few thousands more after yesterday.)
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Irrelevant

Doon says that the majority support independence

Would like to see proof of that
 
ger147 said:
It would need a 5.1% increase for the "majority of Scots" statement to be true which it clearly isn't at present.
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I was commenting on Doon's statement that'll take care of Doon's A few thousands more after yesterday

Of course there is no proof that it will (how can you prove the future anyway) - but it wouldn't be difficult

The Scottish electorate is about 4.4m - the arithmetic is easy.

(5.1% swing would require nett 220,000 changes of mind - but that's the answer to a different question)
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Irrelevant

Doon says that the majority support independence

Would like to see proof of that
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Not irrelevant in response to 'a few thousand more'.

And a bit soon to see proof of anything following yesterday's announcement - though I don't think in the short term EVEL will make that much difference to the numbers in the YES camp.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I was commenting on Doon's statement that'll take care of Doon's A few thousands more after yesterday

Of course there is no proof that it will (how can you prove the future anyway) - but it wouldn't be difficult

The Scottish electorate is about 4.4m - the arithmetic is easy.

(5.1% swing would require nett 220,000 changes of mind - but that's the answer to a different question)
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And I was replying to his statement that the majority of Scots now support Independence. There is no evidence to support this statement, indeed all available evidence suggests the opposite is true.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Not irrelevant in response to 'a few thousand more'.

And a bit soon to see proof of anything following yesterday's announcement - though I don't think in the short term EVEL will make that much difference to the numbers in the YES camp.
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It really is quite simple

Doon said - I think you will find that the sensible majority now want independence or words to that effect

A number have asked for proof to back up the statement

You going on about stuff that is irrelevant to the question I asked makes no difference

Would like to see Doon prove his statement is factually correct

Have seen proof from another poster that shows that Doon's statement is false

Unless you can provide proof ?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
How about 55/6/7 MP's out of 59.
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Support for the SNP is not support for independence, I said it prior to the GE and you agreed. I would argue that support for the SNP increased due to failure of Labour rather than what the Torries or the SNP themselves did. The SNP are the only alternative to Labour in Scotland, that does mean it is support for independence.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think you will find that the sensible majority of of Scots now want Independence:lol:
A few thousands more after yesterday.
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0.1% of Scottish electorate is over 4000 - that is 'A few thousands more' and won't seem to be too difficult to find. I do not know if the first part of the statement is true or not.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
We all know it isn't and it's another statement from Doon without factual basis or evidence - hence the silence
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Ah - but polls are just that. They are estimates and not the fact. Nobody actually knows the fact of the matter as it is today - it was Reagan I think who said 'the truth is what the people believe'
 
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