Europe v Faldo Dilemma

[jambread69]

After watching last nights programme on Sky on the build up to the Ryder Cup later this, has left me divided in my support.

Of course I want the European team to win, but I just can't stand Nick Faldo.

Is he the right man to be team captain particuarly when he admits he has always being more concerned about the individual (i.e. himself) rather than others.

The man is arrogant and I feel that he could be one that loses the Ryder Cup through his selections and attitude towards the players.

Lets hope not.

 

[MVP]

I think Faldo although a great golfer is a bit of a tit

 

[geronimo]

must admit i never really had any problem with Faldo, i like him actually.

If a person is going to reach the top of any field they need a ruthless and self centered attitude, this attitude would be hard to get rid of.

I think his problem or others problem towards Faldo is he is very vocal about what he thinks, others are more sneaky and do things behind the scene to keep a cleaner reputation.

Just my thoughts though.

And to answer the question, yes i do think he will be a good captain but if he looses then everyone will say its his fault (it might be) but if he wins then he's a hero.

So the question might be one that can not be answered.

 

[brendy]

I think the ryder cup is identical to any other team event, be it footy, rugby etc.
The Captain or manager can only pick the team, he cant make then win.

 

[MVP]

I think the ryder cup is identical to any other team event, be it footy, rugby etc.
The Captain or manager can only pick the team, he cant make then win.

Steve mclaren would agree !!!

 

[brendy]

I think the ryder cup is identical to any other team event, be it footy, rugby etc.
The Captain or manager can only pick the team, he cant make then win.

Steve mclaren would agree !!!

Haha I see what you did there! Mclaren was the scapegoat in my opinion, Id never have selected him as manager but then again, every player thatr pulls on their international shirt is playing for the country, not the manager nor themselves, if they cant perform they shouldnt be on the professional tours/leagues.
A good example of this is the NI and Wales football teams, full of lesser known players but can still surprise the bigger teams, the manager has nothing to do with it after he picks the initial team, even tactics go out the window when the opposition come a you from any route other than the anticipated.

 

[MVP]

a good manager anticipates all routes!

 

[rgs]

I am in two minds about Fados captaincy especially given his pre tournament man management at the seve trophy. Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes and will put the ecperience to good use in Valhalla.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The thing with Faldo is that throughout his career in every avenue (playing, design, commentating etc) he has always made errors but seems to have the capapbility to store those away and use them in a positive manner.

I agree the way he handled the Seve trophy was not ideal but providing "egos" like Monty keep focussed on the golf I think he will be an inspirational leader.

As I've mentioned in recent posts I've had the privilege of watching him play a practice round at close quarters (just me Faldo, Lyle their caddies and a handful of bemused members). He was witty and insightful (and this was in his dour mood mid 80's) and taught me loads of stuff (Most of which I've forgotten over the years)

 

[Leftie]

I think the ryder cup is identical to any other team event, be it footy, rugby etc.
The Captain or manager can only pick the team, he cant make then win.

Steve mclaren would agree !!!

So why does the manager get the sack instead of the over paid, over protected, over manicured, over hair styled, over here, nancy boys who fall over and cry ouch at the slightest breath of wind who don't have any incentive to actually put theirselves on the line and peform?

Cut the wages, sack the non-performers. Limit the number of imported players. This could only be good for British football.

Sorry. Rant over. What was the thread???

 

[brendy]

Cut the wages, sack the non-performers. Limit the number of imported players. This could only be good for British football.

Sorry. Rant over. What was the thread???

Exactly, football was always about wearing the shirt, npw its abut who has the latest lambo or biggest house or most self obsessed wife.

 

[MVP]

I think the ryder cup is identical to any other team event, be it footy, rugby etc.
The Captain or manager can only pick the team, he cant make then win.

Steve mclaren would agree !!!

So why does the manager get the sack instead of the over paid, over protected, over manicured, over hair styled, over here, nancy boys who fall over and cry ouch at the slightest breath of wind who don't have any incentive to actually put theirselves on the line and peform?

Cut the wages, sack the non-performers. Limit the number of imported players. This could only be good for British football.

Sorry. Rant over. What was the thread???

who said the players are staying too? its up to capello now he can tell gerrard and lamps offskis if he wishes and along them lines is where he is starting according to todays papers.
Mclaren is an idiot for putting carson in goal that night amongst a lot of other things. sven is an idiot for taking walcott to the finals and not using him other than that he was ok! Mclaren was an idiot he mad wrong decisions. I cant believe barwick got him over curbs. I think capello will do a good job. not saying he will win a cup.sven done an ok job with out winning a cup! but these days football has foreign players all round the world not just england. Capello has won some trophies. Mclaren didnt have the stats to fill an application in let alone get the job

 

[medwayjon]

Don't even get me started on McTwat.

Harry should have got the job but was nobbled by somebody in high places.

BTW, Faldo, great player but an absolute dickhead and a crap course designer.

 

[MVP]

Don't even get me started on McTwat.

Harry should have got the job but was nobbled by somebody in high places.

BTW, Faldo, great player but an absolute dickhead and a crap course designer.

like your style jon FAIR PLAY !!!

 

[RGuk]

OOhh, this is my kind of thread.
Nick was a great player and gets huge respect from most of the golfing world....but....I don't see him in the same way as many of the other recent captains.
The comment by brendy " The Captain or manager can only pick the team, he cant make then win." I totally agree with, but there are two things that are going to be interesting to watch.
1) A good manager can encourage/make the team "want" to win, not just for themselves, the fellow team members, but also FOR the captain. Also, 2) the manager/captain needs to be ready with the right words when things get tough....I'm not so sure Faldo knows how to give "himself" to others, he has been good at looking after no.1 for so long.
Dunno.....

Dave

 

[viscount17]

Faldo has played in 11 Ryder Cups, 6 Dunhill, 3 World Cups, 3 Hennessy's among others. He has team experience though agreed it doesn't necessarily make him a leader. (Shearer/Newcastle please note.)
Team selection will make/break this Ryder Cup more than any other - lesser known players outperforming bigger names (have my doubts about Rose) is nothing new but seems to have to be relearned everytime. Solution - go with form.

 

[Junior]

Viscount is right , Where the Europeans seem to have done so well is to leave all the ego's at home. It's all been about the TEAM and the pairings - not any one individual. I think the Americans have learnt from this and I expect a very close contest. Just look how well Boo Weekly and the other fella (I've even forgotton his name) did in the world cup !!

 

[John_Findlay]

Ok chaps. Have to disagree with the comment that the captain can't make the team win!

In the Ryder Cup he can help dramatically...because he is allowed to give the players advice...real advice.

Example is when Seve told the daft Swede to go for the green in 2 when he was thinking strokeplay and laying up for his 5 when his partner was already near the green in 2. Said played went for it, got a birdie and won the hole!