EU Referendum

[larmen]

I only saw the bus which promises £350,000,000 a week extra to the NHS. I never saw the bus that promised a stop of free movement, or a bus that promised a points system. That 'obviously' means that all brexit voters wanted to stay in the free market just wanted better NHS funding.

This obviously is as far from the truth as all brexit voters wanted a complete stop of free movement, but I am not the one that has to quantify it.

The ballot was in/out. In my opinion it was split right down the middle, but if we accept out than it is to the government to decide what out means, not to the few that loudly scream stop to immigration.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't believe many Brexit voters actually specifically voted for this particular method - merely for Brexit itself! That was, after all, the only question on the ballot paper! Obviously, it was the preferred method by some, including at least one on this site!

So no broken promise - it was only a proposal for how immigration from EU countries could be controlled.

Oh dear - listening to NigelF on LBC - he's most upset that May seems to be backsliding on the points system that he says that Leave promised as that provides the total control that Fox, BoJo, Gove et al promised Leavers

 

[Hacker Khan]

Oh dear - listening to NigelF on LBC - he's most upset that May seems to be backsliding on the points system that he says that Leave promised as that provides the total control that Fox, BoJo, Gove et al promised Leavers

I still think that it will not properly happen. There will not be a second referendum, but I believe any Brexit will be so watered down then it will end up pleasing no one. The hard core brexiters will regard it as a sell out and the remainers will (continue to) question what is the point of spending a huge amount of time and resources to do it.

 

[jp5]

I still think that it will not properly happen. There will not be a second referendum, but I believe any Brexit will be so watered down then it will end up pleasing no one. The hard core brexiters will regard it as a sell out and the remainers will (continue to) question what is the point of spending a huge amount of time and resources to do it.

Think that's a fair assessment. The equivalent of a party winning a narrow majority and being constrained in their policy implementation (and led by someone from the opposition, bizarrely!).

 

[Old Skier]

Well, this puts the kybosh on a points based system for EU immigration!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37271420

I don't know whether the points based system is good or bad but there isn't anything in that statement that actually says what system would be used other than her saying that she doesn't believe it's the way to deal with immigration.

 

[vkurup]

Ignoring the opportunity to say ‘we told you so’, the PBS system would be difficult to implement for EU nationals. We currently have the PBS for non-EU nationals and it has had limited success. The think I find funny or paradoxical is that we have managed to curbed immigration via the student route. So someone needs to explain the logic to my simple mind.

>> You come to the UK and get educated in the British way. You pay for the privilege, get no rights or social benefits and live here for a few years. At the end of it, you have to leave the country and have no prospects of work here to pay back any fees and enrich the local culture. So why would you want to the UK??? Good way to kill our world leading universities which now wont get access to world talent or money and in all likelihood need to increase fees for local students. Why??

 

[USER1999]

I work next to a so called college for foreign students. They have about 400 students on the books, and seating for about 200. It's just a scam. They have been raided by immigration twice, but just set up in a different name. The guy who owns it makes a fortune.

 

[Foxholer]

I don't know whether the points based system is good or bad but there isn't anything in that statement that actually says what system would be used other than her saying that she doesn't believe it's the way to deal with immigration.

Her statement was about as negative as possible about the viability of a PBS though!

Basically, she stated it doesn't meet the criteria of 'control over who comes to UK'!

Her example wasn't actually a particularly good one, imo, as, I believe, students - even those that don't (yet) speak English - are a 'special case' and should only be in the country for the period of their studies. Any fraudulent instances need to be handled by separate procedures - but that is, and has always been, a weakness in 'the system' that will be exploited if not properly policed!

 

[vkurup]

I work next to a so called college for foreign students. They have about 400 students on the books, and seating for about 200. It's just a scam. They have been raided by immigration twice, but just set up in a different name. The guy who owns it makes a fortune.

I completely agree with weeding out fraud 'colleges'.. There should be a crackdown against these institutes, but by not allowing students who join legitimate colleges to work after their studies stops the flow of the brightest talent into the country. Why would you stop potentially the next nobel laureate to join an Oxbridge or the next poet/author/businessperson from joining and enriching themselves as well as the college they join. Mind you, the next big thing might still need to wait tables or do dishes or do odd jobs during their college time + need a job in the UK when they leave college.

Letting fraudulent colleges operate while not restricting legitimate student visas is akin to cracking down on the migrants on a boat while letting the people smugglers go scot free.. <rant over>

 

[SocketRocket]

I still HOPE that it will not properly happen. There will not be a second referendum, but I believe any Brexit will be so watered down then it will end up pleasing no one. The hard core brexiters will regard it as a sell out and the remainers will (continue to) question what is the point of spending a huge amount of time and resources to do it.

Just fixed that for you.

 

[vkurup]

All the stumbling around... bring this back into play..

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Still wondering how we determine which unskilled EU workers we let in to do all the unskilled jobs UK residents don't want to do.

My daughter (graduate this year and experienced in bar work) was working at The Goodwood Revival at the weekend and most of the temporary staff she worked with were Romanian - and many others were from other Eastern European countries (her manager was Polish). The Romanians were very worried about their status in the UK. She felt upset for them as they were great, very hard workers - indeed a couple of them had to get up a 4am to get to Goodwood.

And apropos nothing at all - she thought it amusing that as she was working in the BMW tent she had to pretend to be German and wear a 'typical' German bierkeller fraulein outfit

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see Cameron has resigned.
History will not judge him well, splitting up the EU and the UK because he could not unite the Conservative Party.

Off to see if he can make as much money as Blair now, no doubt.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I see Cameron has resigned.
History will not judge him well, splitting up the EU and the UK because he could not unite the Conservative Party.

Off to see if he can make as much money as Blair now, no doubt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37342152

So he's resigned because he doesn't want to be a distraction to Theresa May, but he's not going until the next General Election; currently scheduled for May 2020, a mere 44 months away. So not that worried about being a distraction, or knows that an early election will be called?

 

[FairwayDodger]

I see Cameron has resigned.
History will not judge him well, splitting up the EU and the UK because he could not unite the Conservative Party.

Off to see if he can make as much money as Blair now, no doubt.

#worstPMever

 

[FairwayDodger]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37342152

So he's resigned because he doesn't want to be a distraction to Theresa May, but he's not going until the next General Election; currently scheduled for May 2020, a mere 44 months away. So not that worried about being a distraction, or knows that an early election will be called?

He's going now, there will be a by-election. Good riddance!

 

[SocketRocket]

He's going now, there will be a by-election. Good riddance!

Here here!

 

[Blue in Munich]

He's going now, there will be a by-election. Good riddance!

The link originally said he was staying until the next General election but has since been updated. Can agree with your last sentence though. :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

Cameron's new carer in the Lords should be interesting.

 

[chrisd]

Cameron's new carer in the Lords should be interesting.

Why will he need a carer?