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guest100718
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5 years fromnow you'll all still be moaning about the same old stuff.
The NHS, schools, roads... blah blah
The NHS, schools, roads... blah blah
EU Referendum
- Thread starter Doon frae Troon
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Immigration?
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Blair/Brown increased welfare spending by 40% and opened the mass immigration gate. For anyone to say they didn't make a major contribution to the countries financial ills is naive in the extreme.
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Utter rubbish... When your in A and E are you going to ask for an English doctor or nurse?
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Sturgeon's call for a second referendum and talk of her putting the legal framework in place is confusing me. It is my belief that only the UK Parliament can authorise a Scottish referendum for independence. I guess the same goes for Northern Ireland.
I just don't get the constitutional thinking in Scotland. They are part of the UK and have taken part in a UK referendum but they take the attitude that if the national vote is not in line with their own vote it is somehow wrong and unfair. Is Scotland really in a position to become an independent country that can meet the requirements of EU membership, I think they are still saying they would want to use the Pound with the Bank of England remaining the Lender of last Resort! How on earth could they expect the Bank of England to bail out their financial issues which could be massive. Surely they would have to accept the Euro if they joined the EU? I think they would also soon become a Greece 2 with huge austerity measures being imposed by Germany.
I just don't get the constitutional thinking in Scotland. They are part of the UK and have taken part in a UK referendum but they take the attitude that if the national vote is not in line with their own vote it is somehow wrong and unfair. Is Scotland really in a position to become an independent country that can meet the requirements of EU membership, I think they are still saying they would want to use the Pound with the Bank of England remaining the Lender of last Resort! How on earth could they expect the Bank of England to bail out their financial issues which could be massive. Surely they would have to accept the Euro if they joined the EU? I think they would also soon become a Greece 2 with huge austerity measures being imposed by Germany.
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Deleted member 15344
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Think it's time to move on now and understand that the financial ills of the country and were down to the actions of the country and the actions of the irresponsible people who allowed people to spend beyond their means and then be unable to afford it
It's time to stop looking to blame immigration for ills of the country when for as long as I have been alive the country itself and its ruling party have done a very good job of messing it up themselves
Right now the country has decided to leave the EU - that itself is a thought that many need to digest - people need to stop gloating and celebrating because nothing has changed yet and no promises have been fulfilled - if those promises are fulfilled then the celebrations and gloating can begin and they better be fulfilled because right now because of the closeness of the vote our nations have been ripped apart and if promises don't become fulfilled that bitterness will just get worse and will ruin the UK beyond repair.
It's now time for everyone to work their backsides off the make this work - many people need to stop scrounging of the state and get to work doing those jobs that they deemed "below them" - it's time for people to buy British but also not to be priced out.
We couldn't be more finely balanced right now - it was a momentus day - whether that's a good thing or not has yet to be decided
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
"Utter Rubbish" I see we have descended into the debating style of the gutter.
Thats a rather odd way to support the case of Labours disastrous management of the UK economy!
Are you suggesting the NHS is staffed mainly by immigrant Doctors and Nurses? Do you believe it's a better policy to rob people from poor countries that have invested their hard earned money training Doctors and Nurses for us to go and rob them rather than training our own? To me that is a National disgrace that we should be ashamed of.
However, we don't need mass immigration to rob other countries of their medical staff, if you do that you have to accept the masses of non skilled people as well. Spend our money on training first so we can use organic growth to supply our services and offer meaningful employment to young people rather than pushing through graduates in Yurt Construction who then work in KFC and Mickey Dees.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
We may never know if it was the right, or wrong decision. By voting out, we have changed the landscape. Staying in was no guarantee of stasis, leaving is no guarantee of prosperity. The EU as we know it could change hugely as a result of UK exit. It may not continue at all, if other countries follow what we have started. There is no right, or wrong. There will be no 'I told you so', as there is no way of knowing what the alternative outcome would bring. Yes, the next few weeks will bring some short term dips, but as the markets realise that nothing much has really changed, it will recover. What is needed is to put aside the who voted what, the bitterness, the over reactions, and get on with life. It is the only one we have.
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Nope - jump to your own conclusions, you assume every immigrant is financial burden... I cannot hold a debate or conversation with you ✋ speak to the hand!
Mass immigration was a tacit policy of the last New Labour Government, not the EU. And said immigrants were encouraged to have lots of kids by Gordon Brown's Child Tax Credits. That is why our schools are now bursting at the seams, and our roads are gridlocked at school run times!
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I agree with just about everything you say here. My previous post was not about this though but in response to a previous point made. Posting that attachment does go against your post though as you are opening up the subject for further debate.
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Berger
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Mass immigration was a tacit policy of the last New Labour Government, not the EU. And said immigrants were encouraged to have lots of kids by Gordon Brown's Child Tax Credits. That is why our schools are now bursting at the seams, and our roads are gridlocked at school run times!
Are you expecting the doors to be closed and no one else let in when we leave the EU? If that's the case you might be in for a bit of a shock.
No, quite the contrary. I was just pointing out that the last New Labour Government allowed lots of immigrants into the country in the hope that they would vote for them and to "rub the faces of the Tories in diversity". Didn't work though.
On the subject of the Labour Party, allowing grass roots members to vote for their party leader has so far produced the hopeless Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn, both pretty much unelectable. Surely it would be better if the PLP elected their leader?
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
If you are incapable of debating a subject then just say so and we can leave it. If you can only use comments like the above 'over reaction' then I agree, you would be much better to keep your emotive opinions on the back of your hand.
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Snelly
Guest
Laughable. Millenials really do need to grow some balls.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Well...
I have just read through the devil knows how many pages on this this thread, and i fear it merely confirms what i always thought. Democracy is a fragile thing and requires reasoning, understanding and tolerance in order to function properly. What I've seen through this thread is misinformation, misunderstanding, misconception, belligerence, intolerance, gullibility, naivity, dogmatism, chauvinism, bloodymindedness, intransigence and other things i don't know the words for. The perfect mirror to the real world.
We haven't had a proper democracy for a long time and i don't see us getting one soon.
I have just read through the devil knows how many pages on this this thread, and i fear it merely confirms what i always thought. Democracy is a fragile thing and requires reasoning, understanding and tolerance in order to function properly. What I've seen through this thread is misinformation, misunderstanding, misconception, belligerence, intolerance, gullibility, naivity, dogmatism, chauvinism, bloodymindedness, intransigence and other things i don't know the words for. The perfect mirror to the real world.
We haven't had a proper democracy for a long time and i don't see us getting one soon.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Well I pick my holiday money up from Tesco tonight.
Ordered it on Tuesday and getting 30 more euros than if I'd ordered it today.
That'll do
Ordered it on Tuesday and getting 30 more euros than if I'd ordered it today.
That'll do
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Well I pick my holiday money up from Tesco tonight.
Ordered it on Tuesday and getting 30 more euros than if I'd ordered it today.
That'll do
Out of interest only - what rate did you get??
Listening to most of the pro-Brexit politicians, including Boris Johnson, and my mostly elderly friends who voted Leave, I get the distinct impression of 'OMG, what have we done!'. I think they weren't really expecting to win, but hoped to get enough votes to fire a warning shot across the bows of the EU. Now they have won they have split the country between England and Scotland, North and South, old and young, and forced the resignation of a very able Prime Minister. Not to mention pretty much destabilising the EU and the whole Western World. Russia and ISIS must be loving thisl. It is interesting that the majority of the over 45's (excluding myself) voted Leave, despite enjoying a lifetime of relative peace and prosperity in the EU, whereas the majority of younger people voted to Remain! :mmm:
