Eu referendum exit poll

[Crow]

I'm confused by this comment Nick. The government gave the public what they wanted, the opportunity to decide for ourselves. They can't be blamed for the result.

There are lots of things that the public want that aren't good for the country, in my view this is one of those things.

But worse than that it's a snapshot in a moment in time when there is a lot of understandable frustration among the electorate and unfortunately this has resulted in us leaving the EU, even though the EU has little to do with the causes.
If the referendum had been held at another date we might have a very different result.

The government didn't do enough to honestly put out the facts.

Personally i dont think a decision like that should have been given to the public anyway. But thats another debate!

Sadly I agree, or for such a massive decision there should have been a certain majority needed to leave, eg 60%.
52% to 48% is just too close a call to cause this fracture.

 

[SteveJay]

Personally i dont think a decision like that should have been given to the public anyway. But thats another debate!

Dangerous territory that.........................a democracy is by far the best option!!

 

[chrisd]

Sadly I agree, or for such a massive decision there should have been a certain majority needed to leave, eg 60%.
52% to 48% is just too close a call to cause this fracture.

So you would prefer a non democratic decision?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

So you would prefer a non democratic decision?

Yes.

I would prefer it even more if the uneducated/ill informed public (on both sides of the vote) weren't allowed anywhere near such a momentous decision. But seeing as they were, I would still prefer it if it needed more of a swing in voting.

 

[Snelly]

I voted leave. Up until a week ago I was undecided but read something that really struck a chord and this cemented my decision.

On reflection, I feel that something needed to change in the UK as the Establishment were becoming far too cosy and powerful with opinions becoming doctrine in many areas of life. I think that the leave vote has given the established order a really good smack in the mouth and we will now evolve. Not revert, evolve. For the better.

Amazing times - the working class have spoken in a democratic vote and the leftists are up in arms at the prospect.

And anyone that peddles the lines that the leave voters are simply too thick, racist or selfish to be allowed a say needs to have a serious look at themselves. It would seem the tone from the BBC and the left in general is that everyone should be allowed a vote, as long as they agree with us. If they aren't on message then the inference is that they are xenophobic, stupid bigots that should be excluded from our new world order. Which ironically, is exactly the kind of thinking that has made the Labour heartlands feel the way that they do.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Yes.

I would prefer it even more if the uneducated/ill informed public (on both sides of the vote) weren't allowed anywhere near such a momentous decision. But seeing as they were, I would still prefer it if it needed more of a swing in voting.

So what are you saying.....people should have to pass some form of test before being trusted with a vote?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

So what are you saying.....people should have to pass some form of test before being trusted with a vote?

Nope, i'm saying people don't get a test. It's left to the experts who have dedicated their lives to studying this sort of thing. And that politicians shouldn't be anywhere near the decision making, let alone gambling their careers on whichever side they think suits them best.

 

[Snelly]

Yes.

I would prefer it even more if the uneducated/ill informed public (on both sides of the vote) weren't allowed anywhere near such a momentous decision..

This is as outrageous as it is condescending and patronising.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

This is as outrageous as it is condescending and patronising.

Care to expand why?

I'm an accountant. Would you also trust me to build your car, fix your boiler or rewire your house? Probably not...

Would you trust me with your savings on the stock market? probably not again.

How about trusting me to write your will? Again, maybe not.

Those are minor decisions, and you would rely on an expert. This is significantly bigger, hence the even bigger need for experts.

 

[Imurg]

So what are you saying.....people should have to pass some form of test before being trusted with a vote?

Be honest Gordon, there have been very few real facts flying around for the last few months..
Many, many people have voted without understanding the fine detail of either decision. That's not necessarily their fault, it's the fault of the campaign's. If theyd spent more time actually handing over facts than fighting, jnsulting and dealing in self progression, there may have been a different outcome.
Now the outcome is known, those in power need to get on with doing what they do...making the public's decision work.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Care to expand why?

I'm an accountant. Would you also trust me to build your car, fix your boiler or rewire your house? Probably not...

Would you trust me with your savings on the stock market? probably not again.

How about trusting me to write your will? Again, maybe not.

Those are minor decisions, and you would rely on an expert. This is significantly bigger, hence the even bigger need for experts.

Your philosophy is totally flawed, hand over the running of the country to a load of so called unelected 'experts'? Who decides if these experts are any good or not?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Your philosophy is totally flawed, hand over the running of the country to a load of so called unelected 'experts'? Who decides if these experts are any good or not?

How about the people who we elect to make tough decisions?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Be honest Gordon, there have been very few real facts flying around for the last few months..
Many, many people have voted without understanding the fine detail of either decision. That's not necessarily their fault, it's the fault of the campaign's. If theyd spent more time actually handing over facts than fighting, jnsulting and dealing in self progression, there may have been a different outcome.
Now the outcome is known, those in power need to get on with doing what they do...making the public's decision work.

You are right Ian and I can only speak for myself. I have done a fair amount of reading prior to yesterday and looked at lots of different newspapers, websites, publications etc trying to get a balanced view. I suspect that not a high %age of people did that, just voted with gut instinct.

In a democracy you have to put a certain amount of trust in the voters.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

How about the people who we elect to make tough decisions?

There isn't an issue with that, we get the opportunity to replace them every 5 years if they don't deliver.

 

[Imurg]

You are right Ian and I can only speak for myself. I have done a fair amount of reading prior to yesterday and looked at lots of different newspapers, websites, publications etc trying to get a balanced view. I suspect that not a high %age of people did that, just voted with gut instinct.

In a democracy you have to put a certain amount of trust in the voters.

And that's what happens at a General Election.
We elect MPs to make these kind of decisions. They have access to the experts, the facts, the processes and protocols.
There wouldn't be a referendum on us going to war - arguably as important, maybe more....

This was too big a decision to hand to Joe Public...one of my favourite quotes actually came from the film Men in Black ...Tommy Lee Jones says to Will Smith " A Person can be intelligent. People are stupid"........
Not enough people knew enough about it to make a properly informed decision.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

When you are talking about a country(s) with a population somewhere in the region of 60mil you have to trust that the loons will be outweighed by the sensible ones and the correct decision is reached.

 

[FairwayDodger]

When you are talking about a country(s) with a population somewhere in the region of 60mil you have to trust that the loons will be outweighed by the sensible ones and the correct decision is reached.

What went wrong yesterday then?

 

[Rooter]

When you are talking about a country(s) with a population somewhere in the region of 60mil you have to trust that the loons will be outweighed by the sensible ones and the correct decision is reached.

By your own admission though, you stated earlier that you were in a minority who actually did a fair bit of research into the pros and cons. Not a personal attack, but are you an economist a political expert, social guru? A decision this big should have been made by experts, maybe poll the country for opinion purposes, but not the actual decision. And if the experts cam back and said we should leave because of X,Y and Z we would not be in the panic state we are in now.

People mentioning the uneducated i believe they mean in this specific topic, not general thicko's!

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Care to expand why?

I'm an accountant. Would you also trust me to build your car, fix your boiler or rewire your house? Probably not...

Would you trust me with your savings on the stock market? probably not again.

How about trusting me to write your will? Again, maybe not.

Those are minor decisions, and you would rely on an expert. This is significantly bigger, hence the even bigger need for experts.

Blimely I'm an accountant to but do not agree with your opinions, which is fine with me. Everyone has opinions.

I have rebuilt cars, I have fixed my old oil boiler, done plumbing and I have rewired houses. Most of what you mention is knowledge not a skill. No I can not plaster or brick lay very well for instance.

The vote to stay or leave is not knowledge or even a skill, it is a feeling or at best a guess.

You say trust the experts, I would like to mention the so called experts like the ones, that did not see the financial crisis of 2008 coming, when plenty of lay people on certain websites could see it coming(I thought things were mental in about 2004/05 with debt levels and houseprices and times were just to good to be true).

The experts like Merv King, Gordon Brown, economists who constantly get it wrong. Just look at the inflation or GDP or debt or deficit projections and how wrong they are most of the time(not just a little wrong but a lot wrong).


The public got the vote and rightfully so, it is our country, even though the rich got the land given to them many years ago.....

We have to live by our decisions.

Let get it right, no one knows what would have happened either way, it is all guesses, 100%.

The above is not saying I voted to leave or remain btw.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

What went wrong yesterday then?

We allowed women to vote :ears: