ESR Question

[HawkeyeMS]

I think I posted that with a favourable CSS, you might have been due a 2 shot ESR. I assumed that's what happened when you got a 2 shot ESR. Your first post in that thread expected cut to 8.7 before ESR and end result was 6.5, so that extra 0.2 reinforces my thought that CSS went to 72 in the round that triggered the ESR. So an average nett differential of 5.5.

What actually happened was the 1st of the 4 rounds I shot 41 points but CSS went up 1 so I was 6 under for that one.

The 3rd and 4th rounds were the same comp, I scored 32 points off of 9 on Day 1 and 40 off of 9 on day 2. However, because my exact was 9.4, when the h'caps were calculated I went up to 9.5 after Day 1 so my 40 points on Day 2 was actually 41 for h'cap purposes so 5 under h'cap meaning the differential was 5.5 ((6+5)/2)

The odd thing is, if I had played better on Saturday and hit the buffer, my Nett Differential would only have been 5 and a 1 shot ESR.

 

[Foxholer]

However, because my exact was 9.4, when the h'caps were calculated I went up to 9.5 after Day 1 so my 40 points on Day 2 was actually 41 for h'cap purposes so 5 under h'cap meaning the differential was 5.5 ((6+5)/2)

Of course!

The odd thing is, if I had played better on Saturday and hit the buffer, my Nett Differential would only have been 5 and a 1 shot ESR.

Don't knock it! Golf goes the other way far more often!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As of first reading this thread I didn't know what ESR is and had never heard of it. I have now heard of it a Googled it - now have to read why/how I would get an Exceptional Scoring Reduction - at face value I won't. Is this modern terminolobabble for 'cut on observation'

EDIT - blimey - just a bit more than CoO. So as I did an 8 under CSS three weeks ago, if I do another 4 under CSS or better before mid June 2014 I could get cut an additional shot on top of any standard handicap reduction. Cool. I'm up for that. Is an ESR always a whole number of shots or can it be decimals?

 

[Foxholer]

Is this modern terminolobabble for 'cut on observation'

In a word - Yes!

The idea behind it being to make such reductions consistent across all Clubs. Some Clubs were very quick to 'slash' (or at least cut) folk with good scores; others not so quick. I've been at a Club where GPAs were quite frequent and others where they were extremely rare. the old 'Rule 19' (now 23) cut may have been consistent within a Club, but not consistent across Clubs!

Here's an excellent explanation! http://www.cgc-ni.com/uploads/CONGU ESR.pdf

 

[Old Skier]

In a word - Yes!

The idea behind it being to make such reductions consistent across all Clubs. Some Clubs were very quick to 'slash' (or at least cut) folk with good scores; others not so quick. I've been at a Club where GPAs were quite frequent and others where they were extremely rare. the old 'Rule 19' (now 23) cut may have been consistent within a Club, but not consistent across Clubs!

Here's an excellent explanation! http://www.cgc-ni.com/uploads/CONGU ESR.pdf

To tru, and with Congu now advising against social golf cuts it is now more important that clubs do use the ESR feature on their software.

 

[Foxholer]

To tru, and with Congu now advising against social golf cuts it is now more important that clubs do use the ESR feature on their software.

Congu have advised against cuts from Social play for quite some time - as long as can remember!

It's the pressure that some Clubs seem to have felt that made for so many 'Rule 19' cuts. I've certainly been the recipient of a couple, at least 1 (probably both) of which was contrary to guidelines!

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Well results in, and its a 5 .
CSS was 70, so a 4 there, and i guess just a 1 under ESR..
Have i got this wrong, it is only qualifiers that count in the sequence, and not ALL comps ???
If its all comps then there is a sequence of 7 between the qualifying scores and not the 4 i posted. Is this where i've gone wrong in hoping for a 2, or do i need a little word with h/c sec in the morning ??
Still, its another win to go with the captains. I'am going in disguise tomorrow. :whoo:

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Well results in, and its a 5 .
CSS was 70, so a 4 there, and i guess just a 1 under ESR..
Have i got this wrong, it is only qualifiers that count in the sequence, and not ALL comps ???
If its all comps then there is a sequence of 7 between the qualifying scores and not the 4 i posted. Is this where i've gone wrong in hoping for a 2, or do i need a little word with h/c sec in the morning ??o
Still, its another win to go with the captains. I'am going in disguise tomorrow. :whoo:

Just qualifiers so you're good

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Don't knock it! Golf goes the other way far more often!

Not knocking it, far from it

 

[Foxholer]

Only Qualifying rounds, though if a 1 shot ESR has been applied, the other rounds may have influenced it?

What is the Par at your course? Because you quote Stableford points, that needs to be used to equate points to strokes/SSS - and how much the Pre-ESR cut was. There are circumstances (Par - 74?) where the average net diff could be 5.0, so only 1.0 would be due.

Likewise, your ESR might not have been applied yet! Also need to know Exact starting and finishing to really know for sure!

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Hi Foxholer, thanks for your time.
I thiink you might of nailed it. This weeks stableford was of the yellows, par 70 / sss 68. The whites are 70 / 69.
My exact starting was 26.5 and is now 21.5.

 

[Foxholer]

Hi Foxholer, thanks for your time.
I thiink you might of nailed it. This weeks stableford was of the yellows, par 70 / sss 68. The whites are 70 / 69.
My exact starting was 26.5 and is now 21.5.

Doesn't look like ES has been applied yet then! 46 points is 10 under Par nett but 8 under CSS Nett. 8 * 0.4 = 5.0 cut.

Not quite Cat 3 yet (provided they apply the 2 shot ESR that should be recommended). But shouldn't be long! Don't push it. It'll happen faster if you just let it happen!

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Cheers Foxholer, fingers crossed.
It certainly helps the weather being better than last year, and the course being in such good nick. :thup: