Envy or jealousy ?

Cabby said:
Have you been abroad when locals have found out your not English ? If so, how did they respond once they found out you weren't English ??


btw, I didn't start this as an England bashing topic, as I have previously stated.
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Some only read the poster and not the post ;)
 
Cabby said:
Have you been abroad when locals have found out your not English ? If so, how did they respond once they found out you weren't English ??


btw, I didn't start this as an England bashing topic, as I have previously stated.
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Let me challenge this a little. I've never had anyone be unpleasant to me when abroad because I'm English, never. I've been away on holiday or with work quite a bit and no one has ever been even remotely nasty because of my nationality. Perhaps if I was wearing an England football shirt and giving it large, as the youth say, it would be different but I'd don't go anywhere trying to own a place, I'm respectful.

I chat to people here, I chat to people abroad. Smile at them, be friendly, that's enough to get a smile back and a friendly conversation.

What situations have you been in that have been hostile until you told them you were Scottish?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
What situations have you been in that have been hostile until you told them you were Scottish?
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None. Wasn't my point though. I think the very fact that you are questioning it goes a long way to explaining the blinkered view of your nation. I can't right now give specific examples of why England as a nation are not particularly well thought of but even you must be aware that you have a lot of enemies.
 
I’ve visited most of Europe, and some countries beyond. I like to get off the tourist trails and see the real country. Pretty much every country has been very welcoming. There’s always the odd person that doesn’t like you, especially if you don’t speak their language. But if you do have a crack at the language they love you for it.

”Anyone but England.” Nowt wrong with rivalry. But if it was Scotland or Wales there, I’d be supporting them.
 
Cabby said:
Have you been abroad when locals have found out your not English ? If so, how did they respond once they found out you weren't English ??


btw, I didn't start this as an England bashing topic, as I have previously stated.
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No, that's never happened. I think British people are well liked if they are nice people.

I am under no illusion that Scottish people are loved the world over. I have been embarrassed many times by the behaviour of people from my part of the UK.
 
HowlingGale said:
Imagine you turn on to watch a game of football, Iran Vs Peru (or whoever) in the group stages of the world cup. The English team are nowhere near it. You can actually play a game of 'phrase' bingo using the following phrases: '1966', Geoff Hurst' , 'It's coming home', 'Three Lions', 'Harry Kane' it's non-exhaustive. You get the gist.

Remember we get the same commentary you do and it gets right on our tits. Just say what you see without bringing anything England has done, is doing or may do into it.
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Yeah I’ve heard this sort of argument from Scottish people before and I really do think this is a massive exaggeration of the reality of how things are and an excuse for anti-English feeling. I’ve watched plenty of coverage of World Cup games which don’t feature England and it’s nothing like the way you are portraying it. They talk about the teams that are playing, what they’ve done in previous games, who their best players are etc etc. They even (shock horror) have non-English pundits on to add their viewpoint to proceedings.

Yes, some of the coverage is interspersed with a plug for when the next England game is coming up, or a report about the latest England news. But do you reckon they might put that in because there’s a large number of English supporters watching the coverage? Goodness, how awful of them! How dare they tailor their coverage a bit towards their main audience! And do you honestly believe there wouldn’t also be the equivalent plugs/reports for the Scotland and Wales teams if they were there too?

I would bet if you watched any other nation’s home coverage of the World Cup, you’d find they did things similarly - covered all games, but interspersed it with news and chat about the home nation. Yet because British television does it for the England team, it’s somehow unacceptable to Scottish people.
 
Cabby said:
None. Wasn't my point though. I think the very fact that you are questioning it goes a long way to explaining the blinkered view of your nation. I can't right now give specific examples of why England as a nation are not particularly well thought of but even you must be aware that you have a lot of enemies.
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Politically quite probably but regular people, no I have not come across that or seen it affect others. I think that is over egged. Regular people are generally decent wherever you are, wherever you come from. Be nice to them, they are nice back. Most people live in the present and are not hung up on history.

Clearly I could turn my back and they could be pulling faces but people must be very discreet about that.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Politically quite probably but regular people, no I have not come across that or seen it affect others. I think that is over egged. Regular people are generally decent wherever you are, wherever you come from. Be nice to them, they are nice back. Most people live in the present and are not hung up on history.

Clearly I could turn my back and they could be pulling faces but people must be very discreet about that.
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Absolutely, I never said at any time in this topic English, I said England, I made no reference to individuals, I have a lot a good English friends, I even have English family.
 
Don Barzini said:
Yeah I’ve heard this sort of argument from Scottish people before and I really do think this is a massive exaggeration of the reality of how things are and an excuse for anti-English feeling. I’ve watched plenty of coverage of World Cup games which don’t feature England and it’s nothing like the way you are portraying it. They talk about the teams that are playing, what they’ve done in previous games, who their best players are etc etc. They even (shock horror) have non-English pundits on to add their viewpoint to proceedings.

Yes, some of the coverage is interspersed with a plug for when the next England game is coming up, or a report about the latest England news. But do you reckon they might put that in because there’s a large number of English supporters watching the coverage? Goodness, how awful of them! How dare they tailor their coverage a bit towards their main audience! And do you honestly believe there wouldn’t also be the equivalent plugs/reports for the Scotland and Wales teams if they were there too?

I would bet if you watched any other nation’s home coverage of the World Cup, you’d find they did things similarly - covered all games, but interspersed it with news and chat about the home nation. Yet because British television does it for the England team, it’s somehow unacceptable to Scottish people.
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Absolutely sure that other countries talk about their nation when the world cup is on while they're not playing but how many Italian people are limited to French only channels covering the world cup?

I'll tell you, none.

I don't want to hear about England's world cup win if they're not playing. What is so hard to understand?
 
pauldj42 said:
Wasting your breath, it’s a fact if the media say so, currently we’re all sat in our England strips preparing for the open top bus tour when we win the WC singing vindaloo ;)
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I'd hoped that you'd all be in you England clobber. It's just passion. I'd be the same if we were there.

I have no issues with all the fans celebrating after the win the other night.

I think all the remaining teams feel upbeat and genuinely think they can win it.
 
HowlingGale said:
Absolutely sure that other countries talk about their nation when the world cup is on while they're not playing but how many Italian people are limited to French only channels covering the world cup?

I'll tell you, none.

I don't want to hear about England's world cup win if they're not playing. What is so hard to understand?
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But Italy and France are not linked geographically, politically, historically and televisually in the same way Scotland and England are, so you can’t really make a like for like comparison.

But if demand was big enough from your fellow countrymen and women, there would be absolutely nothing to stop a Scottish company making a Scottish television channel with Scottish presenters who make no mention of England whatsoever. And who, I have no doubt, would exercise the impartiality you demand of English presenters.
 
HowlingGale said:
I'd hoped that you'd all be in you England clobber. It's just passion. I'd be the same if we were there.

I have no issues with all the fans celebrating after the win the other night.

I think all the remaining teams feel upbeat and genuinely think they can win it.
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All 8 have a chance and any of the 8 could be beat over the next few days.
Taking my allegiance out of it for minute, it’s been one of the most open World Cups in a long long time.
Putting my allegiance back in, it’s nice to still be involved. :thup:
 
Cabby said:
Not about getting over anything, your obviously blinkered outlook fails to see that England as a nation are not very popular, sorry to be the barer of bad news, but you need to get "over it" :whistle:
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I don't need to get over anything, I have no issue with other nations. Unlike you who seem to hate the English.
 
I am from Scotland but I will 100% be supporting England on Saturday. Exactly as I would be behind Wales or Northern Ireland.

I'd also be behind the USA as I lived there for a time and Portugal where I go on holiday:-).
 
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