Envy or jealousy ?

[Don Barzini]

I don't expect any Scot to support England, I don't think any England fan does. It is the open hostility and anyone but England approach which gets tiresome.

Spot on.

I would say so yes, but unlike when for example Scotland qualified, we got our coverage, you took your own overage and even put English commentators on the games, we've not been granted such largesse by the BBC here (we can't point at ITV as they are commercial), and have to suffer the English coverage. With that is a responsibility to have a UK slant rather than a pro-english slant. If they want to go all jingoistic, then give BBC Scotland/Wales/NI their own teams to cover the world cup.

I accept the point about wanting to have Scottish commentators on a Scotland game. I see no reason they couldn't or wouldn't do that.

But you simply cannot expect a group of English pundits not to get excited and want to see England win. Same as I would not expect a Scottish pundit on the BBC to not get excited about Scotland, or an Argentinian pundit about Argentina etc etc

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Here's one to chew over, being Scottish it's pretty bloody depressing watching the world cup knowing we're not there....as usual and that we're unlikely to be any time soon. However, it's almost as difficult suffering Engurlands progress as it's just hard to listen to but here's a thing, I'm not jealous, I'm envious, personally couldn't bare you lot to win it but I really do wish I could share the feeling of euphoria and atmosphere that comes over a nation through sport.

Guess the closest we've got in recent years was the Golden Saturday at the Olympics in 2012

Come on Sweden !

No envy or jealousy from me...having an English wife and half English half Scottish children - I am supporting England all the way to the Final.

What happens then - well I am not very sure - however I consider what might happen as the finishing line approaches - and look at what happened to Devon Loch...

 

[HowlingGale]

Spot on.




I accept the point about wanting to have Scottish commentators on a Scotland game. I see no reason they couldn't or wouldn't do that.

But you simply cannot expect a group of English pundits not to get excited and want to see England win. Same as I would not expect a Scottish pundit on the BBC to not get excited about Scotland, or an Argentinian pundit about Argentina etc etc

I'll try one last time. English pundits getting excited about England when they are playing is fine.

What is not acceptable is them going he'll for leather about England during games that don't involve England.

Your inability to accept there is an issue with bias and impatiality is what perpetuates the problem. So in effect you contribute to it.

 

[Don Barzini]

I'll try one last time. English pundits getting excited about England when they are playing is fine.

What is not acceptable is them going he'll for leather about England during games that don't involve England.

Your inability to accept there is an issue with bias and impatiality is what perpetuates the problem. So in effect you contribute to it.

And equally I'll try one last time. It simply doesn't happen to the degree you believe it does.

 

[HowlingGale]

And equally I'll try one last time. It simply doesn't happen to the degree you believe it does.

The fact it happens at all is inexcusable, I'm afraid.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I've lived in England for 30 years. My missus is English. 95% of my mates are English. My kids are England supporters. Most of the music I love was made by Englishmen

I certainly don't hate the English.

I do however get wound up by the superiority complex some English folk have, particularly when it comes to sport. I also dislike the unbridled "patriotism" which has a distasteful veneer of casual racism which seems to grip people during major events, be it the WC or the Brexit vote. This is all orchestrated by the right-wing press, and folk fall for it every time.

I have noticed an increase in "sweaty sock" and "Jimmy Krankie" comments whenever these events come round, so let's not pretend it's all a one way street.

I do support British folk in individual events, be they Scottish, NI, Welsh or English. I just can't bring myself to support an "England" team.

Maybe the best solution would be to have a British international football side, but I dare say there would be a massive backlash against that idea if it ever gained any traction.

I do rather get quite a lot of the "sweaty sock" and "Jimmy Krankie" comments from some guys in the club. And they DO expect me to be 'anti-English' and to be supporting ABE. However as a proud and confident Scot - and whilst holding affection for our Celtic cousins - I KNOW that we are superior to all others in the UK and so quite easily rise above it all with a smile.

 

[Don Barzini]

The fact it happens at all is inexcusable, I'm afraid.

No it isn't.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I thought Manchester's population was less than Glasgow? Certainly used to be.

Maybe he was including all the Man Utd supporters that have never been to Manchester

 

[HowlingGale]

No it isn't.

Ok then, go and have a look at the BBC website. Cant post a link. Go to the Sports site then Football world cup. The Live 'Build up to Uruguay v France & Brazil v Belgium is at least 50% about England and how 'it's coming home'.

Care to explain why when I want to read about todays games I'm subjected to stuff that doesn't apply to these games and, in fact, doesn't happen until tomorrow.

I'm afraid it does happen.

 

[Slab]

I'll try one last time. English pundits getting excited about England when they are playing is fine.

What is not acceptable is them going he'll for leather about England during games that don't involve England.

Your inability to accept there is an issue with bias and impatiality is what perpetuates the problem. So in effect you contribute to it.

You remember when Jack & Victor went from BBC Scotland to BBC2 UK and they actually changed to language the characters used from series two onward from being very 'street' to help our neighbours better understand the programme

Can you imagine ever getting the same consideration in return from the BBC for things like Eastenders etc

 

[HowlingGale]

You remember when Jack & Victor went from BBC Scotland to BBC2 UK and they actually changed to language the characters used from series two onward from being very 'street' to help our neighbours better understand the programme

Can you imagine ever getting the same consideration in return from the BBC for things like Eastenders etc

😀 I think the same thing happened with Trainspotting.

I think us Scots are guilty of talking a lot of bolloks that nobody understands. As evidenced in this thread.

 

[Don Barzini]

Ok then, go and have a look at the BBC website. Cant post a link. Go to the Sports site then Football world cup. The Live 'Build up to Uruguay v France & Brazil v Belgium is at least 50% about England and how 'it's coming home'.

Care to explain why when I want to read about todays games I'm subjected to stuff that doesn't apply to these games and, in fact, doesn't happen until tomorrow.

I'm afraid it does happen.

Crikey, a website build up which starts five hours before the earliest game. Yawn.

On a UK based website, they're gonna struggle to fill it with pure team news aren't they? From what I've read, most of the stuff about England is contributed by the public. People are excited, they're gonna send in their contributions. You can do the same if you wish! Let us know if they put yours on!

 

[HowlingGale]

Crikey, a website build up which starts five hours before the earliest game. Yawn.

On a UK based website, they're gonna struggle to fill it with pure team news aren't they? From what I've read, most of the stuff about England is contributed by the public. People are excited, they're gonna send in their contributions. You can do the same if you wish! Let us know if they put yours on!

So in the face of overwhelming evidence you still refuse to accept there's an issue.

And so the problem continues. You carry on wondering why 'we have a chip on our shoulder' and we'll continue to have said 'chip'.

 

[Don Barzini]

So in the face of overwhelming evidence you still refuse to accept there's an issue.

And so the problem continues. You carry on wondering why 'we have a chip on our shoulder' and we'll continue to have said 'chip'.

You're honestly really that upset by a British website which publishes content from British fans about a British team, five hours before the earliest kick off of a different game?

Honestly, it's pathetic.

How much stuff do you want to read about Uruguay, France, Belgium and Brazil over the next five hours anyway? Could you consider visiting a Uruguayan, French, Belgian or Brazilian website instead?

And I'll say it again - would they really not publish pics and comments of proud Scottish fans if Scotland were in it?

 

[HowlingGale]

You're honestly really that upset by a British website which publishes content from British fans about a British team, five hours before the earliest kick off of a different game?

Honestly, it's pathetic.

How much stuff do you want to read about Uruguay, France, Belgium and Brazil over the next five hours anyway?

You're on the wind up.

I'll spell it out because you're obviously having difficulty grasping the concept. Why have content about England and Sweden on a page that specifically says the build up to todays games?

Why can't they have '1966' and 'its coming home' on a page that's nothing to do with todays games?

Problem solved. You get your content elsewhere and those of us that only want to read about team news for todays games can do so.

 

[Don Barzini]

Why have content about England and Sweden on a page that specifically says the build up to todays games?

Actually, it says "Latest World Cup news, gossip and social media as Uruguay play France before Belgium play Brazil in the quarter finals." The content fills the brief.

It doesn't say "Latest World Cup news (but only about Uruguay, France, Brazil and Belgium - we can't talk about any other teams until tomorrow), gossip (but only about Uruguay, France, Brazil and Belgium - we can't talk about any other teams until tomorrow) and social media (but only about Uruguay, France, Brazil and Belgium - we can't talk about any other teams until tomorrow) as Uruguay play France before Belgium play Brazil in the quarter finals."

If it did, I'd see your point.

I say again - if Scotland were playing tomorrow the page would be full of proud Scots in their kilts, with blue faces etc etc. And no English person would give a toss that they weren't playing until tomorrow.

 

[IanM]

As an Englishman living in Wales, who also had two years in Glasgow, I've seen warmth, banter and utter hatred from various folk!

- Eg found Glasgow the warmest bunch of folk I've ever seen, but also the odd bloke wanting to heed-but ye just for going in the wrong pub. I've never seen anything like the levels of nastiness towards Scots/Welsh while in England... but we usually like to wind up lack their of presence at World Cups

If Scotland got this far in the World Cup the BBC would have the same coverage... there's even special BBC TV for Wales and Scotland, no similar in England a very local to each region. 2 years ago when "Gareth Bale and 10 Bokes" ( ) did really well in the Euros, it was the same blanket coverage.

Why shouldn't the British State Broadcaster be biased towards sports teams from these Islands?

Anyway - Scotland and England both went out of the World Cup during July........ one in 2017 one in 2018 :whoo:

 

[Hobbit]

I'll try one last time. English pundits getting excited about England when they are playing is fine.

What is not acceptable is them going he'll for leather about England during games that don't involve England.

Your inability to accept there is an issue with bias and impatiality is what perpetuates the problem. So in effect you contribute to it.

I don't expect English pundits to be unbiased. Anyone that does is either naive or has a chip on their shoulder and (secretly) likes to be offended by it because it suits their argument.

And equally I'll try one last time. It simply doesn't happen to the degree you believe it does.

I agree. I've watched more football this World Cup than I ever have - the joys of being retired. I don't think there's half as much going on about England as some people think there is... maybe some are just too sensitive to it.

The fact it happens at all is inexcusable, I'm afraid.

What fact is that then? Your fact or my fact? Its down to opinions really, not facts.

 

[Liverbirdie]

The media (like all businesses) is a numbers game. The population of Scotland is about the same as Manchester so 'local' radio etc. is all that's affordable/justifiable.

I'm afraid the Scottish 'chip on the shoulder' just gets a bit boring. Childish anti-England behaviour, as witnessed by the SNMP in Parliament this week shows that childish antics aren't limited to children

I think you'll find Scotland's population is about 8-10 times bigger than Manchester.

 

[pendodave]

Actually, it's about twice as big.... 5.4 to 2.7 if we use greater manc for the stats. England is 10 times.