Envy or jealousy ?

Don Barzini said:
But Italy and France are not linked geographically, politically, historically and televisually in the same way Scotland and England are, so you can’t really make a like for like comparison.

But if demand was big enough from your fellow countrymen and women, there would be absolutely nothing to stop a Scottish company making a Scottish television channel with Scottish presenters who make no mention of England whatsoever. And who, I have no doubt, would exercise the impartiality you demand of English presenters.
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Italy and France have a border (linked geographically), they're in the EU (linked politically), they've fought for hunners of years (linked historically).

For info I used France and Italy as an example of one team still in and one team that didn't qualify.

I suppose our local stations could try and get their own commentary or ITV and BBC could just provide impartial unbiased commentary.
 
Don Barzini said:
But Italy and France are not linked geographically, politically, historically and televisually in the same way Scotland and England are, so you can’t really make a like for like comparison.

But if demand was big enough from your fellow countrymen and women, there would be absolutely nothing to stop a Scottish company making a Scottish television channel with Scottish presenters who make no mention of England whatsoever. And who, I have no doubt, would exercise the impartiality you demand of English presenters.
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Oh and on the televisual thing my mate gets French Sky so I'm fairly sure the punters in Italy will get that as well.
 
HowlingGale said:
I suppose our local stations could try and get their own commentary or ITV and BBC could just provide impartial unbiased commentary.
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Which they do. They just also have an interest in the only home nation to have qualified. And as I’ve said, they’d extend that interest to other home nations if they’d qualified as well.
 
I support Mcilroy over English golfers
I support Murray over English Tennis players
I follow Bale and like seeing him doing well in Spain


Would always support their football teams over any others, sure would be the same for most English people I know.
 
I've lived in England for 30 years. My missus is English. 95% of my mates are English. My kids are England supporters. Most of the music I love was made by Englishmen

I certainly don't hate the English.

I do however get wound up by the superiority complex some English folk have, particularly when it comes to sport. I also dislike the unbridled "patriotism" which has a distasteful veneer of casual racism which seems to grip people during major events, be it the WC or the Brexit vote. This is all orchestrated by the right-wing press, and folk fall for it every time.

I have noticed an increase in "sweaty sock" and "Jimmy Krankie" comments whenever these events come round, so let's not pretend it's all a one way street.

I do support British folk in individual events, be they Scottish, NI, Welsh or English. I just can't bring myself to support an "England" team.

Maybe the best solution would be to have a British international football side, but I dare say there would be a massive backlash against that idea if it ever gained any traction.
 
Cabby said:
Absolutely, I never said at any time in this topic English, I said England, I made no reference to individuals, I have a lot a good English friends, I even have English family.
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Okay. Hostility towards England as a country is still not something I have come across. When I visit my customers in Europe they never, ever, refer to England, Scotland, Wales etc as separate entities. They only see Britain, once in a blue moon they will state UK.

Even then no problems. You must go to some ropey areas 😁.
 
On a happier note the next world cup, I think, will have 48 teams in it. Hopefully Scotland will then qualify and Scots can enjoy their own team being there.
 
I get a feeling and it’s just a feeling, that as Scots the default we’re expected to take by many in England is why not support England, unless you have a reason not to
When it’s actually the opposite, don’t support England unless you have a reason to, be that family, location or whatever
Some of us do take it further by supporting whoever is playing England but you have the English media and history to thank for that

Just thinking, given the close history England should support Australia in the rugby world cup once England are out, I’ll bet only those with a good reason to would though and were the Dutch all weeping along with Germany fans a week ago? I’ll wager the majority were not

Unless a person has a personal reason/connection to support another nation (even a neighbouring country) why would they?

I've nothing against any English person (I'm married to one) its supporting England as a 'product' (for want of a better word) that sticks in the craw
 
HowlingGale said:
I'm not sure how many ways I can say it to make it clearer. All of our feeds come from England. There are no local stations running commentary.

You're saying in a game between Iran and Peru it's OK to mention England's triumph in the dim and distant past 20 times in the first 10 mins?

If you think that's acceptable then crack on and we'll continue to want England to get beaten as it becomes very boring hearing how good you were 52 years ago.
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The media (like all businesses) is a numbers game. The population of Scotland is about the same as Manchester so 'local' radio etc. is all that's affordable/justifiable.

I'm afraid the Scottish 'chip on the shoulder' just gets a bit boring. Childish anti-England behaviour, as witnessed by the SNMP in Parliament this week shows that childish antics aren't limited to children
 
Slab said:
I get a feeling and it’s just a feeling, that as Scots the default we’re expected to take by many in England is why not support England, unless you have a reason not to
When it’s actually the opposite, don’t support England unless you have a reason to, be that family, location or whatever
Some of us do take it further by supporting whoever is playing England but you have the English media and history to thank for that

Just thinking, given the close history England should support Australia in the rugby world cup once England are out, I’ll bet only those with a good reason to would though and were the Dutch all weeping along with Germany fans a week ago? I’ll wager the majority were not

Unless a person has a personal reason/connection to support another nation (even a neighbouring country) why would they?

I've nothing against any English person (I'm married to one) its supporting England as a 'product' (for want of a better word) that sticks in the craw
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I don't expect any Scot to support England, I don't think any England fan does. It is the open hostility and anyone but England approach which gets tiresome.
 
Cabby said:
Here's one to chew over, being Scottish it's pretty bloody depressing watching the world cup knowing we're not there....as usual and that we're unlikely to be any time soon. However, it's almost as difficult suffering Engurlands progress as it's just hard to listen to but here's a thing, I'm not jealous, I'm envious, personally couldn't bare you lot to win it but I really do wish I could share the feeling of euphoria and atmosphere that comes over a nation through sport.

Guess the closest we've got in recent years was the Golden Saturday at the Olympics in 2012 :rolleyes:

Come on Sweden !
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Neither. The media, the pundits, the general hubris, and the fact they are historically the auld enemy, are all reasons most Scots wish nothing but ill will on the football team, as most football fans everywhere do with their nearest rivals.

It's something uniquely English that they feel put out by this when it comes to their football team, every other rivalry this is laughed off, but for some reason we're supposed to turn sport on its head and support them. I absolutely do not get it.
 
drdel said:
The media (like all businesses) is a numbers game. The population of Scotland is about the same as Manchester so 'local' radio etc. is all that's affordable/justifiable.

I'm afraid the Scottish 'chip on the shoulder' just gets a bit boring. Childish anti-England behaviour, as witnessed by the SNMP in Parliament this week shows that childish antics aren't limited to children
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You're happy that many Tory MPs wanted to skive off? Would your work have let you skive off? You take umbrage with this, yet I'm sure you said nothing when devolved matters got 15 minutes and one Scottish speakerduring the Brexit debate, the pay off for that horrific circumventing of democracy is the SNP wanting things done by procedure, and by **** they're doing everything they can to make sure it happens.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I don't expect any Scot to support England, I don't think any England fan does. It is the open hostility and anyone but England approach which gets tiresome.
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Let me put it another way

I used to support whoever was playing against Rory or hoping he wouldn’t make a cut/putt etc (simply because I didn’t like or agree with some of the things he’s said and done) now I’m more ‘meh’ to how well he does. But the moment he gets all up himself the old feelings will resurface (I’m sure he doesn’t care a jot how I feel and why should he)

It’s basically like that with England at sport (I don’t like or agree with things she’s said and done but I’m kinda past proactively hoping they fail (most of the time anyway) but as soon as the bad stuff comes up again so does the desire to see them beaten :lol:

And because we share a media 'your' natural jubilation in any sporting success (& you have every right to celebrate) but it doesn't always communicate well to the entire audience especially those in other countries
 
Don Barzini said:
I would bet if you watched any other nation’s home coverage of the World Cup, you’d find they did things similarly - covered all games, but interspersed it with news and chat about the home nation. Yet because British television does it for the England team, it’s somehow unacceptable to Scottish people.
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I would say so yes, but unlike when for example Scotland qualified, we got our coverage, you took your own overage and even put English commentators on the games, we've not been granted such largesse by the BBC here (we can't point at ITV as they are commercial), and have to suffer the English coverage. With that is a responsibility to have a UK slant rather than a pro-english slant. If they want to go all jingoistic, then give BBC Scotland/Wales/NI their own teams to cover the world cup.
 
I'm Scottish, living in England and I'll support any English teams or sports personalities*







*apart from when they are playing Scotland or it's Lewis Hamilton :D
 
HughJars said:
Neither. The media, the pundits, the general hubris, and the fact they are historically the auld enemy, are all reasons most Scots wish nothing but ill will on the football team, as most football fans everywhere do with their nearest rivals.

It's something uniquely English that they feel put out by this when it comes to their football team, every other rivalry this is laughed off, but for some reason we're supposed to turn sport on its head and support them. I absolutely do not get it.
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Good post, except for the part about supporting us, it’s not expected at all, fill your boots supporting everyone we come up against, you’re tarring everyone with the same brush.

It’s the crap that goes with it, Scottish, Irish, Welsh fans abroad, all go and have a beer, sing songs, fantastic passion, English fans doing the same are arrogant!

Yes we have mindless morons, so does everyone else, were all labelled the same.
 
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