Driver prices .... WOW!

delc said:
Not the latest model new ones though! Taylor Made M1 £429, M2 £329!
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Both can be bought for cheaper than that

And is that not the same with most items in the world

If you want an old or second hand item it will be cheaper but if you want the newer latest version then it's going to be more expensive

That's a fact of life not limited to golf and not one single person is forced to buying the new stuff

All peoples own personal choices
 
In 1991 the Callaway Big Birtha cost £250 and the size was 190cc.

Del math would mean that a 460cc driver should be £550+/- without inflation.

Reality, clubs have really not changed in price in proportion to just about everything else in the world.

A cup of coffee is 1991 was about 30p, now it's about £2.20.

Del, 2 questions please. Do you believe what you are saying on this subject and have you ever logged off this forum and thought to yourself, "hmmm I have learned something there"?
 
Alex1975 said:
In 1991 the Callaway Big Birtha cost £250 and the size was 190cc.

Del math would mean that a 460cc driver should be £550+/- without inflation.

Reality, clubs have really not changed in price in proportion to just about everything else in the world.

A cup of coffee is 1991 was about 30p, now it's about £2.20.

Del, 2 questions please. Do you believe what you are saying on this subject and have you ever logged off this forum and thought to yourself, "hmmm I have learned something there"?
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Not from you I haven't!
 
delc said:
The original MRRP for the 460cc Aeroburner was £269.00, i.e. £50 more than the Mini Driver, and AG are selling them at £179.99 at the moment, which is still £50 more!
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A Boeing 737 - 700 costs $78m
A Boeing 787 Dreamliner costs $257m.
Over three times as much!!!!

How long we got?
 
There's no bigger fool in sport than a golfer when it comes to buying new kit.

It's funny that as more and more technology goes into new drivers etc, when you ask people what's the best driver you've owned it's always an older model.
 
I always thought that an old guy in our Tuesday group was teeing off with a 3-wood, until I looked in his bag and found it had a number 1 stamped on the bottom. It was a rather old Callaway Steelhead driver that looks tiny compared to today's monsters. He still hit pretty good shots with it though.

I don't like 460cc drivers because:
1) they take some of the skill out of driving and encourage a 'grip it and rip it' mentality. They and the modern golf balls have reduced many classic golf courses to almost pitch and putts! With small headed drivers you had to be careful to hit the ball off a fairly small club face.
2) They are hideously expensive.
 
delc said:
I always thought that an old guy in our Tuesday group was teeing off with a 3-wood, until I looked in his bag and found it had a number 1 stamped on the bottom. It was a rather old Callaway Steelhead driver that looks tiny compared to today's monsters. He still hit pretty good shots with it though.

I don't like 460cc drivers because:
1) they take some of the skill out of driving and encourage a 'grip it and rip it' mentality. They and the modern golf balls have reduced many classic golf courses to almost pitch and putts! With small headed drivers you had to be careful to hit the ball off a fairly small club face.
2) They are hideously expensive.
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Why do you use one then ?

Buy a small headed driver instead

You can also buy drivers for cheap prices


And would suggest that for 99% of golfers courses haven't been reduced to pitch and putt courses

As with everything in golf - you have a choice , you aren't forced into buying the expeisnive drivers or buying the big ones
 
delc said:
I always thought that an old guy in our Tuesday group was teeing off with a 3-wood, until I looked in his bag and found it had a number 1 stamped on the bottom. It was a rather old Callaway Steelhead driver that looks tiny compared to today's monsters. He still hit pretty good shots with it though.

I don't like 460cc drivers because:
1) they take some of the skill out of driving and encourage a 'grip it and rip it' mentality. They and the modern golf balls have reduced many classic golf courses to almost pitch and putts! With small headed drivers you had to be careful to hit the ball off a fairly small club face.
2) They are hideously expensive.
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So on one hand you want bigger holes to make the game easier but you want to make the clubs smaller and harder to hit??
You yourself use a very large headed driver that is one of the latest ultra forgiving (not most recent but still latest tech) but you don't like them?

Some very mixed concepts come from you Del. Maybe you should take up a game where you have less to find fault and complain about. Carpet bowls perhaps?
 
Del constantly moans about lack of length as he has got older. The last thing golf courses are to him is pitch and putt.

He should be grateful for the manufacturers quest for length. With his rocketblades irons and r1 driver keeping his handicap as low as it is. It certainly isn't his short game by his own admission.

If he truly believed the hot air he spouts, he would dump the clubs he has on ebay and pick up some classic blade irons and small headed driver unleashing the pure raw talent he possess and enjoy the game to its maximum using skill rather than brute force.
 
GreiginFife said:
So on one hand you want bigger holes to make the game easier but you want to make the clubs smaller and harder to hit??
You yourself use a very large headed driver that is one of the latest ultra forgiving (not most recent but still latest tech) but you don't like them?

Some very mixed concepts come from you Del. Maybe you should take up a game where you have less to find fault and complain about. Carpet bowls perhaps?
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I have a large headed 460cc driver because that is about all you can buy these days, with the possible exception of the TM Mini Driver! 460cc might actually be larger than the optimum size, because many tour drivers used by pros are a bit smaller, around 430 or 440cc. Provided one can reliably hit the sweet spot, a smaller head will cause less aerodynamic drag as it is swung through the air at over 100mph, giving a bit more club head speed.
 
delc said:
I have a large headed 460cc driver because that is about all you can buy these days, with the possible exception of the TM Mini Driver! 460cc might actually be larger than the optimum size, because many tour drivers used by pros are a bit smaller, around 430 or 440cc. Provided one can reliably hit the sweet spot, a smaller head will cause less aerodynamic drag as it is swung through the air at over 100mph, giving a bit more club head speed.
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All you need to do is go on eBay and you can see hundreds of small headed drivers for sale

So why do you want it harder for people to hitting longer yet bigger holes for people to putt easier ?
 
delc said:
I have a large headed 460cc driver because that is about all you can buy these days,.
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This year I also put together a classic set of clubs and played with 3 chaps from here all doing the same. great day out had by all and I managed to shoot 31 points around a new course. I imagine my handicap wouldn't go up much if at all, if I were to adjust the lie angles on the irons and get suitable shafts in the woods.

Older irons all seem to have stupidly flat lie angles and whippy shafts in wooden clubs.

There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing the same. No one forces you to use equipment that teeters of the edge of conformity.
 
delc said:
I always thought that an old guy in our Tuesday group was teeing off with a 3-wood, until I looked in his bag and found it had a number 1 stamped on the bottom. It was a rather old Callaway Steelhead driver that looks tiny compared to today's monsters. He still hit pretty good shots with it though.

I don't like 460cc drivers because:
1) they take some of the skill out of driving and encourage a 'grip it and rip it' mentality. They and the modern golf balls have reduced many classic golf courses to almost pitch and putts! With small headed drivers you had to be careful to hit the ball off a fairly small club face.
2) They are hideously expensive.
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Do you still drive a car without power steering, ESP and ABS but with drum brakes all round, leaf springs and skinny cross-ply tyres..?

The Steelhead driver cost about £200 new when it came out.
That's equivalent to approx £280 today - the current XR 16 Driver costs £249 - so that's blown the expensive argument out of the water.
Comparing a Steelhead to the M1 is like comparing a bog standard Fiesta to a Jag - they both do the same thing but one has a few more bells and whistles than the other so costs 3 times as much...
I paid £249 for my Great Big Bertha in 1997 - er, that's the same as the XR.......nearly 20 years on.

And as for turning courses into pitch'n'putts - maybe for the Pros but for us mere mortals..?
You really think so..?
 
As always horses for courses. If you can afford to buy a new model every 12-18 months and want to spend your cash that way then fine. Plenty of other models available in earlier incarnations so there are definitely bargains to be had. The argument is always will a new driver actually make any difference to your distance and more importantly accuracy. I'm pretty certain in many cases this will be a no
 
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