Kellfire
Blackballed
Using one off examples will never prove anything.
I once got a royal flush in poker post hoc ergo propter hoc I should always fold a hand to anything that may be a royal flush?
Do 3/4 handicap comps favour good golfers too much?
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Using one off examples will never prove anything.
I once got a royal flush in poker post hoc ergo propter hoc I should always fold a hand to anything that may be a royal flush?
bozza
Journeyman Pro
Show me the last time a 3 h/c shot +10 for there h/c.
I bet it happens more often with higher h/c golfers than lower ones so surely it evens itself out?
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
No, if I'm giving 2 at the easier one I'm still giving one at the harder one.
My mindset playing a high handicapper is that I've already lost that hole so if I manage to make a half it's a bonus. Don't mind giving the number of strokes overall its just that 2 on a simple par 3 is a bit harsh.
Kellfire
Blackballed
There we go. That's the crux of this. You're defeating yourself before a shot is hit on that hole.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Obviously you've never needed a Hole-in-One for a half on a par 3 then....
Kellfire
Blackballed
Anyone who needs that is generally laughing on long par 4s or well protected greens. It isn't about one hole, it's about 18.
bozza
Journeyman Pro
I would bet that higher h/c golfers would score worse on par 3's than any other hole.
Mungoscorner
Journeyman Pro
I'm a member at 2 clubs at the moment due to memberships overlapping.
I played a Stableford comp at my former club today,in what i'd describe as very difficult conditions (temps hovering around freezing,a course that was soft and sticky after being under water for the best part of 3 months,a bitterly cold wind,and intermittent snow flurries)
The comp was won by a 23 handicapper shooting 49 points !!!!
A friend of mine playing off 4 shot 2 under gross for 42 points and came 3rd,i had 40 points and i'm pretty sure i didn't make the 1st page of results.
Full handicap in a Stableford comp is ridiculous,i've gone through a years worth of Stableford results at 3 course's and single figure golfers are almost never in the frame.
For a handicap system that is supposedly fair,these figures say otherwise.
I played a Stableford comp at my former club today,in what i'd describe as very difficult conditions (temps hovering around freezing,a course that was soft and sticky after being under water for the best part of 3 months,a bitterly cold wind,and intermittent snow flurries)
The comp was won by a 23 handicapper shooting 49 points !!!!
A friend of mine playing off 4 shot 2 under gross for 42 points and came 3rd,i had 40 points and i'm pretty sure i didn't make the 1st page of results.
Full handicap in a Stableford comp is ridiculous,i've gone through a years worth of Stableford results at 3 course's and single figure golfers are almost never in the frame.
For a handicap system that is supposedly fair,these figures say otherwise.
Kellfire
Blackballed
So, once again, you're equating your experience to the general consensus?
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Hardly.
What I'm actually doing is preventing myself from getting so pissed off that I lose the next hole as well. Anything I get at this one is a bonus.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Problem is that I'm probably giving away a shot there too.
If it's tricky I need a shot in normal play but now I don't have that luxury.
We have several long par 4's that are hard work to make par at.
Pretty straight forward to make bogey, even for a higher handicapper who can take 6 and frequently make the half.....
bozza
Journeyman Pro
Anyone else noticed a coincidence that it's the low h/c's saying the higher h/c golfers have it easier in comps?
Wonder if the lower h/c's thought the same when they were playing of 24?
Wonder if the lower h/c's thought the same when they were playing of 24?
Wayman
Tour Winner
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
And the high handicappers saying the Low guys have it easy.....
Personally, I think it's about as fair as it can get.
When I play Medals and win Div 1 I shoot, maybe, nett 68..
Many a time Div 3 is won with nett 65
Kellfire
Blackballed
There's only one way to settle this because obviously we can't suit each individual game...
Let's get CONGU to set the rules. Oh wait, they already have and they would like to raise the 3/4 formats of the game to 90% and even as it stands those with a handicap in the lower bracket (14 and below) still win more than 50% of the time.
Yet you never hear of us 15+ handicaps asking for 125% comps, do you?!
Let's get CONGU to set the rules. Oh wait, they already have and they would like to raise the 3/4 formats of the game to 90% and even as it stands those with a handicap in the lower bracket (14 and below) still win more than 50% of the time.
Yet you never hear of us 15+ handicaps asking for 125% comps, do you?!
bozza
Journeyman Pro
But the Div 1 players will shoot nearer to there h/c more often than a Div 2 player.
Yes a Div 2 comp will be more than likely be won with 40+ points but it's rare that a Div 2 player can do this consistent.
scratch
Q-School Graduate
+10 doesn't win competitions and thecraw's point is valid. Low players don't come in with net 60's but high handicappers frequently do!
scratch
Q-School Graduate
Golf is a sport and it has always been my understanding in sport that the better player/team should win almost all the time. That is why sportsmen practice and train, to get better and increase their chances of winning.
Pretty simple concept to me!
Crow
Crow Person
Here are the results of board comps at my place last year, S = Stableford, M = Medal and then handicap.
A pretty fair spread if you ask me.
s 13
m 16
m 0
m 18
m 17
m 13
s 10
s 0
m 27
A pretty fair spread if you ask me.
s 13
m 16
m 0
m 18
m 17
m 13
s 10
s 0
m 27
Crow
Crow Person
Then don't enter handicap competitions.
The whole idea of a handicap competition is to even the field.
