SocketRocket
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It could certainly improve the time it takes to see a doctor and fill in the pot holes.
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It could certainly improve the time it takes to see a doctor and fill in the pot holes.
2blue
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I think SR has forgotten that those companies making cars aren't actually British.... they'll just up sticks and move to somewhere better suited to their market..... why wouldn't they?
Renegotiation of membership is pie-in-the-sky I'm afraid, as we need them more than they need us..... the EU is a world power..... Little-Britain is not.... even though people think we have the best Royal Family in the world
...... now there's some money wasted!!!
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MegaSteve
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They said they would up and leave if the UK didn't join the Eurozone... We didn't and they didn't...
2blue
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Euro Zone was minor in comparison to losing access to world markets... going it alone is a dream world/// like Englend winning World Cup again in my life time :smirk:
SocketRocket
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I think SR has forgotten that those companies making cars aren't actually British.... they'll just up sticks and move to somewhere better suited to their market..... why wouldn't they?
Renegotiation of membership is pie-in-the-sky I'm afraid, as we need them more than they need us..... the EU is a world power..... Little-Britain is not.... even though people think we have the best Royal Family in the world
Think about it!
" they'll just up sticks and move to somewhere better suited to their market..... why wouldn't they? "
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to create new production lines and train a new labour force in another country?
You ignored my point on whether the EU would want to stop selling cars to the UK. We would have a free trade agreement with the EU if we left, we buy more from the EU than we sell. Your argument is flawed and the scare tactic used by the Liberal Elite.
SocketRocket
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" losing access to world markets" Thats exactly what we have being a member of the EU. We would be free to negotiate trade agreements with any country we wanted to if we left, we don't have that freedom now.
MegaSteve
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Not quite sure how withdrawing from the EU will lose the UK access to the world markets... The UK is itself is an important market for manufacturers so doubt they'll be leaving these shores anytime soon... Even when the UK withdraws from the EU [hopefully]...
Oh... and England have won the World Cup in my lifetime
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2blue
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SR... you're living in Little-England... a dangerous place to be.
SocketRocket
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Thats a rather silly reply. If you cant make a reasoned discussion then just hold your hands up.
They won in my lifetime too.
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2blue
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like Englend winning World Cup again in my life time
You guys are blind dreamers
You guys are blind dreamers
SocketRocket
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Stupid Boy!
Hacker Khan
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Could you just confirm if you think I am a 'socialist left wing activist' or a member of the 'liberal elite'? As you seem to have used both in their post and I'm just wondering if I should put up a poster of Lenin or David Lloyd George on my bedroom wall?
As a world power, no we're not. As a major power within the EU, yes we are. The UK is the 4th largest contributor of the 13 who contribute. And I guess as a large contributor, they actually need us more than we need them.
MegaSteve
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Apologies, I overlooked again so I may well be going blind
...And yes I am 'dreaming' of the better place the UK will become when the anchor, that the EU is, around 'our' necks is dispensed with...
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I think SR has forgotten that those companies making cars aren't actually British.... they'll just up sticks and move to somewhere better suited to their market..... why wouldn't they?
Renegotiation of membership is pie-in-the-sky I'm afraid, as we need them more than they need us..... the EU is a world power..... Little-Britain is not.... even though people think we have the best Royal Family in the world
But then you seem to think that UK is the only member looking to renegotiate terms and that the voters in all other member states of the EU are happy with the current situation.
They are not.
Increasing groundswell against the present methods of funding and increasing federalism in Denmark & Germany, growing nationalism and anti-immigration feelings in France and a number of other countries.
Why is it that the pro-Europeans choose to believe that it is only the UK that harbours these doubters?
The EU (which I broadly support) is due for a major overhaul and is likely to have to face this sooner rather than later.
SocketRocket
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There you go again, ducking the issue by exaggeration. A Picture of Nick Clegg would be more apt.
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SocketRocket
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Thats correct. We trade with the EU at a deficit and when people suggest we would lose all our trade with them if we left is ridiculous.
2blue
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Am afraid a lot of dreamers would have a night-mare coming when it dawned on them that outside the EU, UK would still have to follow some EU rules without having a vote just like every other non EU country in Europe - even the USA had to change laws on bribery to conform with EU and UK was one of the main drivers within the EU behind that change. 60% of our trade is with Europe if we leave the EU we will lose a lot of that trade. Our citizens can and do work all across Europe, freely moving from job to job. Take that away and we end up a small out of touch island off the coast of Europe with no resources no jobs and no future! Most of what Farage whines about is pure hypocrisy. He has taken more money in expenses than the worst offender in Parliament, has a German wife but complains about immigrants from Europe .... the list goes on. Worse than that Farage is a good guy compared with the rest of UKIP. DC might be an upper class twit but he is relatively harmless and usually only bends the truth, Farage wouldn't recognise the truth if it bit him on the arse - and even then he would blame Europe for being bitten. Bottom line is if Farage gets in the Old Etonians, like DC, will be fine but the working men and women of the UK will be screwed....... WAKEY.... WAKEY!!!!!
SocketRocket
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Balderdash!
You say we would lose a lot of our trade, please explain how that will happen? Do you think EU countries would want to stop trading with us when they would have more to lose. We would be able to negotiate free trade agreements with anyone around the world.
I think your type of thinking is 'Little Englander' as you dont seem to have confidence in your countries ability to prosper off their own back. I have faith in the UK and know it would be set free from the mill stone that weighs us down and saps our spirit.
We have survived for a rather long time as a small island off the coast of Europe and have done very well by it.
GO BACK TO SLEEP!
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You continue to fail to answer the question which is, in case you have forgotten rather than chosen to ignore it, why do you assume that it is only in this country that there are very significant numbers who are dissatisfied with the current set up of the EU?
Perhaps it suits your argument not to face facts but the truth is that many throughout Europe, and in particular Northern Europe, are very far from happy with the current mess.
