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SocketRocket said:
You do seem to get a bit confused. I love my children and have dedicated my life to them but there seems to be no winning with you. Damned if you put your Children in Nursery and Damned if the Mother looks after them :confused:

You seem to have a racist view with the English! Why's that?
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Ah I see what you have done there, you have feigned righteous indignation to cover up your initial comment about it being a woman's job. You have tried to justify your initial comment about women staying at home to look after kids because they are better at it, using nature, which was flawed. One cannot pick and choose examples because they suit one facet of an argument and ignore all the others. Then you get upset with the word "dumped" ( perhaps a strong phrase). You then claim to have dedicated your life to your kids, but how could you if you believe your initial statement? Stop running with the foxes and chasing with the hounds, admit that your initial comment was misguided and parenting in all honesty takes both mum and dad, we are not unique in nature to do this there are species that take turns in looking after their off spring.
And just except that it is the social influencers that pretty much dictate our behaviour.
I am actually far from confused when it comes to what I have seen I fully understand why mothers want to go back to work and also see fathers saying I love my children that is why I work long hours and don't participate much in the child's up bringing.
I do think that I have been very lucky to bring my boy up and be involved in his initial development, although I as person need to get back and do a job ( probably due to social pressure and the view that by not having a job I am a social parasite and the fact that I would like my own money to spend!). However I won't be working the long hours, 40hrs a week is my contracted obligation, before my son I worked pretty much all the time. I want to get home have a chat with him, play a bit and be there. But your going to say your leaving him, I am but I am opening the door for my wife to reduce her work load and alleviate the financial pressure she feels so that she can have more time with our son. However childcare will be required somewhere in between, and no we are not dumping our boy on someone else, we have made decisions based on the facts we have before us and our boy is old enough and in need of the development he will get with a small number of other children. He is 19 months, just at the right age to make friends and interact with other children.....
Am I a racist ? I am English I am entitled to criticise the English
 
harpo_72 said:
Ah I see what you have done there, you have feigned righteous indignation to cover up your initial comment about it being a woman's job. You have tried to justify your initial comment about women staying at home to look after kids because they are better at it, using nature, which was flawed. One cannot pick and choose examples because they suit one facet of an argument and ignore all the others. Then you get upset with the word "dumped" ( perhaps a strong phrase). You then claim to have dedicated your life to your kids, but how could you if you believe your initial statement? Stop running with the foxes and chasing with the hounds, admit that your initial comment was misguided and parenting in all honesty takes both mum and dad, we are not unique in nature to do this there are species that take turns in looking after their off spring.
And just except that it is the social influencers that pretty much dictate our behaviour.
I am actually far from confused when it comes to what I have seen I fully understand why mothers want to go back to work and also see fathers saying I love my children that is why I work long hours and don't participate much in the child's up bringing.
I do think that I have been very lucky to bring my boy up and be involved in his initial development, although I as person need to get back and do a job ( probably due to social pressure and the view that by not having a job I am a social parasite and the fact that I would like my own money to spend!). However I won't be working the long hours, 40hrs a week is my contracted obligation, before my son I worked pretty much all the time. I want to get home have a chat with him, play a bit and be there. But your going to say your leaving him, I am but I am opening the door for my wife to reduce her work load and alleviate the financial pressure she feels so that she can have more time with our son. However childcare will be required somewhere in between, and no we are not dumping our boy on someone else, we have made decisions based on the facts we have before us and our boy is old enough and in need of the development he will get with a small number of other children. He is 19 months, just at the right age to make friends and interact with other children.....
Am I a racist ? I am English I am entitled to criticise the English
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Hope you feel better for spewing out that tirade! The points I raised seem to have gone over your head so no point in confusing you more.
 
harpo_72 said:
Ah I see what you have done there, you have feigned righteous indignation to cover up your initial comment about it being a woman's job. You have tried to justify your initial comment about women staying at home to look after kids because they are better at it, using nature, which was flawed. One cannot pick and choose examples because they suit one facet of an argument and ignore all the others. Then you get upset with the word "dumped" ( perhaps a strong phrase). You then claim to have dedicated your life to your kids, but how could you if you believe your initial statement? Stop running with the foxes and chasing with the hounds, admit that your initial comment was misguided and parenting in all honesty takes both mum and dad, we are not unique in nature to do this there are species that take turns in looking after their off spring.
And just except that it is the social influencers that pretty much dictate our behaviour.
I am actually far from confused when it comes to what I have seen I fully understand why mothers want to go back to work and also see fathers saying I love my children that is why I work long hours and don't participate much in the child's up bringing.
I do think that I have been very lucky to bring my boy up and be involved in his initial development, although I as person need to get back and do a job ( probably due to social pressure and the view that by not having a job I am a social parasite and the fact that I would like my own money to spend!). However I won't be working the long hours, 40hrs a week is my contracted obligation, before my son I worked pretty much all the time. I want to get home have a chat with him, play a bit and be there. But your going to say your leaving him, I am but I am opening the door for my wife to reduce her work load and alleviate the financial pressure she feels so that she can have more time with our son. However childcare will be required somewhere in between, and no we are not dumping our boy on someone else, we have made decisions based on the facts we have before us and our boy is old enough and in need of the development he will get with a small number of other children. He is 19 months, just at the right age to make friends and interact with other children.....
Am I a racist ? I am English I am entitled to criticise the English
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I work a maximum of 35hrs and my wife 30hrs. On opposite shifts as well. No childminders needed for either child. Simple.

In all honesty, you sound a bit peeved about going back to work. Lots of other English people make it work somehow. They don't "dump" their kids anywhere. They don't abdicate their parental responsibilities. Your words were Ill chosen and almost spiteful. Some families are forced to work extra hours as they need the money to support themselves.
 
bluewolf said:
I work a maximum of 35hrs and my wife 30hrs. On opposite shifts as well. No childminders needed for either child. Simple.

In all honesty, you sound a bit peeved about going back to work. Lots of other English people make it work somehow. They don't "dump" their kids anywhere. They don't abdicate their parental responsibilities. Your words were Ill chosen and almost spiteful. Some families are forced to work extra hours as they need the money to support themselves.
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Not peeved at all .. I am glad you can make it work for you and yes they do make it work I know but socket rocket is just talking rubbish... as someone suggested earlier he was on a fishing trip.
I don't know what your issues are but you accuse me of winding my neck out and then start having a go ... I don't think they were spiteful, they just were not dressed in diplomatic flowers ...
 
harpo_72 said:
Not peeved at all .. I am glad you can make it work for you and yes they do make it work I know but socket rocket is just talking rubbish... as someone suggested earlier he was on a fishing trip.
I don't know what your issues are but you accuse me of winding my neck out and then start having a go ... I don't think they were spiteful, they just were not dressed in diplomatic flowers ...
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if he was on a fishing trip, then you bit spectacularly didn't you? Your comments were insulting. Dressing them up would have made them insulting. You made a mass generalisation that was fundamentally wrong. And to make it even worse, you put me on the same side of the argument as Socket. That's officially a bad day in my book!!!
 
sev112 said:
Where is everyone getting all this UKIP success from
They have no seats and got less votes than they did last time ?!
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Is this the European results or the local council ones ?

Edit: they gained 163 council seats
 
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c1973 said:
Decent result for Labour and UKIP.
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Not too good for Labour as they failed to secure a number of their targets in key areas and lost a lot of votes to UKIP.

This may act as a wake-up call for them as, I believe, they had fallen into the same trap as much of the media who assumed it would only be Tory voters defecting in numbers to UKIP.
 
bluewolf said:
if he was on a fishing trip, then you bit spectacularly didn't you? Your comments were insulting. Dressing them up would have made them insulting. You made a mass generalisation that was fundamentally wrong. And to make it even worse, you put me on the same side of the argument as Socket. That's officially a bad day in my book!!!
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Really? Geez you need a life if that sets you off
 
bluewolf said:
if he was on a fishing trip, then you bit spectacularly didn't you? Your comments were insulting. Dressing them up would have made them insulting. You made a mass generalisation that was fundamentally wrong. And to make it even worse, you put me on the same side of the argument as Socket. That's officially a bad day in my book!!!
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Lol! Glad to be of some help :thup:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Is this the European results or the local council ones ?

Edit: they gained 163 council seats
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So they can bugger the local community about, no harm done there then. I know some quite intelligent people who voted UKIP but admitted that they would stay well clear in a real election.

i don't care who votes for who as long as they vote. Find it amusing that the biggest whingers are normally those who cannot get of their butts to vote and then come up with a crap excuse for not doing so.
 
Old Skier said:
So they can bugger the local community about, no harm done there then. I know some quite intelligent people who voted UKIP but admitted that they would stay well clear in a real election.

i don't care who votes for who as long as they vote. Find it amusing that the biggest whingers are normally those who cannot get of their butts to vote and then come up with a crap excuse for not doing so.
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Not sure I'd class myself as intelligent but I voted UKIP for the MEP knowing UKIP's strong views on Europe, which won't come to fruition. I wouldn't dream of voting for them in either a council election or a General election. It was purely in the hope that there would be enough (protest) votes going to UKIP to make the major parties sit up and take note.

Look at the EU referendum Diddy David has promised for after the next General election - it's lip service. He pretty much forced the Scottish parliament to have their independence referendum in this session but has dodged an EU one... I'll vote to stay in Europe but I find Diddy David's stance disingenuous.
 
sev112 said:
Where is everyone getting all this UKIP success from
They have no seats and got less votes than they did last time ?!
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MetalMickie said:
Not too good for Labour as they failed to secure a number of their targets in key areas and lost a lot of votes to UKIP.

This may act as a wake-up call for them as, I believe, they had fallen into the same trap as much of the media who assumed it would only be Tory voters defecting in numbers to UKIP.
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So UKIP gaining 161 seats and Labour gaining 338 seats and control of 6 additional councils is somehow a poor showing?
:confused:

Agree with the comment regarding the assumption only the Tory vote would be hit by UKIP.

I'm not saying I agree with UKIP policies, but by shouting them down as racists and bigots and not engaging properly in debate has been an own goal imo. Their policies may not be everyones cup of tea but obviously there are plenty voters (in England in particular) they are reaching.

Quite glad to see Clegg and the Lib Dems getting spanked.
 
Hobbit said:
Look at the EU referendum Diddy David has promised for after the next General election - it's lip service. He pretty much forced the Scottish parliament to have their independence referendum in this session but has dodged an EU one... I'll vote to stay in Europe but I find Diddy David's stance disingenuous.
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Too true. It is obvious that the political class have got us so far bogged down by the cess pit of the EU that getting out is not a realistic option (unless the whole thing folds). Our best option is renegotiation if that is ever going to happen.
 
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