HughJars
Q-School Graduate
LOL. So Mr Know It All, what is the best route to improvement?
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Snelly
Guest
Simple. With the caveat that you have decent fundamentals in terms of grip, stance and tempo, the answer is to play hundreds of rounds of golf. There are no quick fixes. Hard work and perseverance are the answer. Play golf purposefully on the course and if you do something right, keep doing it. If you do something wrong, stop it and try a different approach. This method, combined with dedication and graft equals a good player. In the end. It takes some longer than others though....
Lessons and kit are not what you need. You are just told that they are......
Mungoscorner
Journeyman Pro
Spot on Snelly,especially the last line.
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Not sure that anyone really has to be right or wrong here. Some people learn better on their own, some people learn better with someone else. I tried lessons, they didn't really work for me, so I stopped and worked on my own. I feel my swing has improved more this year on my own than it ever did when I tried lessons. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have improved massively whilst having lessons. Whatever floats your gravy boat really.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Well you need some kit, unless you are playing that sort of golf where you throw the ball with your hand. So wouldn't it make sense to use kit that suits you? Or do you propose that you can use anything so long as you put in the hard work etc etc?
And the simple caveat rather glosses over the fact that most golfers don't have the fundamentals right, even if they play hundreds of rounds of golf.
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
You're off scratch or better then?
virtuocity
Tour Winner
I never buy this line of argument.
There won't be many people on this site who are off scratch, but still lots of people are in a decent position to offer advice.
I will NEVER be off scratch. I personally guarantee it. However, who is anyone to say that lessons are the only way to go to dramatically lower my H/C? Maybe the instructor is wrong for me. Maybe I'm better at learning myself?
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
Spot on Ethan.
I fail completely to understand why anyone would just pick the first set of clubs they see, but then of course, I note that not one of the custom fit deniers claims to have done that, so they have been custom fit in some way. Lessons are undeniable though, there are very few players who would not benefit from even one lesson, to claim otherwise is ludicrous.
MGL
Challenge Tour Pro
One thing I think we can all 100% agree on is that you do need kit!!!
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
The line of argument is simple, if you're not a very low handicap, then there's room for improvement, and if you've never had a lesson like Snelly, then perhaps that is the missing link. If you get there on your own, you can say you have no need of lessons, if you don't, then you can't deny something you havn't tried, in a game you're not beating.
I spent 25 years avoiding lessons, and had gone up to 8 from a low of 6, went to the pro for some wedge lessons as I had lost all distance, got down to 5 that year for the first time. Spent the next two years bouncing from 5 to 6 and back. This past winter had 3 lessons with a different pro (moved across country) and hit 3 for the first time. Lessons are ***** though eh?
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Ethan
Money List Winner
Hugh
I was wondering how this thread had gone off piste so much.
Did I miss someone saying that having good fundamentals and practising was NOT needed, and only CF was needed instead?
I would have thought it was fairly obvious that nobody advocated CF as a substitute for any of that good stuff, but recommended it as a useful tool on top.
As for lessons, if Rory Mc and Tiger get regular lessons, I think most amateurs still have something to learn from them too.
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
It is obvious, and it's been said repeatedly. It's also pointed that so far, not one of the CF deniers haas told us how they came to have the clubs in their bag that they do?
Oh Ethan, now you're being silly
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Snelly
Guest
Thanks for the sardonic reply. I would have thought from my initial post that started this thread that it was crystal clear that I think that some kit is needed. Not only that, I was also and still am advocating that making sure the right kit for you is in your bag.
As to the caveat, it is simple. it is not hard to learn how to hold the club, stand square or swing at a tempo that mimicks your favourite pro swing or that of a better player. If these things cannot be learned initially from a pro, a video or a book and practiced until correct then the golfer has a problem. They are not however, rocket science.
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Snelly
Guest
I don't have an official handicap. And I am not quite sure of the point you are making or why you think this is relevant.
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Snelly
Guest
Threads evolve. And I agree with what you have said above.
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
You now agree with what's been said all along against the theory in your OP? It's taken 14 pages of the same answer for this to finally sink in?
That you are so good lessons are not neeed, there's no room for improvement. Most people are not as good as you, so lessons will in most cases help.
And how will this be achieved?
Ethan
Money List Winner
OK, then, so you are in favour of having the right kit. There are various methods for finding the right kit, many of which could fall under the umbrella of custom fitting. So we are agreed then.
The 'sardonic' reply was because you were arguing against a point which had never been made, using an equally sardonic tone. Nobody argued against practice or good fundamentals, or that CF was a substitute for either.
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Snelly
Guest
I was arguing the point following on from post 109 in this thread and the subsequent assertion that I was mental for not advocating having lessons. Being labelled mental gives me a bit of wiggle room on the tone of my argument I would say.
Either way, I can't be arsed with a Monday morning clash of handbags over semantics.
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
Nope, I said the thought that lessons were bad was mental, not that you were mental.
Anyway, back on topic. How do you propose getting the right equipment - which you now admit everyone should - without a custom fitting?
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Snelly
Guest
You have confused me Hugh.
I thought my OP was clearly advocating custom fit?
As for me, no, lessons won't help. I don't care about getting any better and I play infrequently so have not got the slightest inclination to listen to someone tell me that I need to do something different.
As for other people, I have made my point pretty clearly I thought but for the hard of learning, here it is again. If you have got half decent fundamentals, the way to improve is to play rounds of golf. This (eventually) sharpens your short game, hones your course management and teaches you how to score. You don't learn these in a teaching booth on a range.
And finally, if you don't have half decent fundamentals in terms of grip, stance and tempo then get them. They are not difficult to master. If you don't have them, you will never play good golf.
