Your hitting old irons really well, 2 new recent sets were shorter and 'dead'. You want another new set why?
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Snelly
Guest
I do not want a new set of irons.
I am really sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my previous post when I said "I have now gone back to my old irons and am hitting them really well and have no plans to change now."
Wildrover
Tour Rookie
I wouldn't fork out my moolah on anything that wasn't custom fitted, why pay money for something that doesn't suit you. My advice is get custom fitted properly by the manufacturer in question and not the local superstore (you know who I mean) where it is amazing how many times you fit into what they have in stock at the time. Also by going directly to the manufacturer you will have every possible head/shaft/lie/loft angle to try out.
Do other brands have visible colour codes like Ping have with "Black Dot" and the like when clubs are fitted for the individual?
If so when buying s/h at least you can be halfway there and look for red, orange or black dots etc and then changing the lie is very nominal.
If so when buying s/h at least you can be halfway there and look for red, orange or black dots etc and then changing the lie is very nominal.
I do not want a new set of irons.
I am really sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my previous post when I said "I have now gone back to my old irons and am hitting them really well and have no plans to change now."
User20205
Money List Winner
not many, I think there may have been one in our group
re custom fitting, I recently got fitted for a driver and the difference in trackman stats between the old & the new was markedly different. Spin rate, carry. overall distance etc. I'm not sure that the 'good' ones are much better, but the average hits are.
I'm going to get fitted for some irons in the new year with my club pro. This will involve trackman but also how they look, feel and go on the range. He knocks off the price of the fitting if you buy the irons from him, which I intend to. I'd be loathe to pay extra for the process.
it is an enhancement to the buying process, it builds in value, but as the place I will go isn't brand specific I'm not sure if the fitting itself will build in loyalty. That will come if I play well with the custom fitted finished article :thup:
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jimbob.someroo
Journeyman Pro
Like most people, I would love to be able to get custom fit. However, there's not a cat in hell's chance of me affording that any time soon.
I'm 5ft9, medium build and have an average to quick swing. At the moment, I've got some stiff Ping s59's with the red dot (1° flat) and they suit me absolutely fine. They feel fantastic and are more or less what I'd be recommended if I went to get fitted proper. I previously had some G5's which helped me get back into the game. These were the black dot and I hit them just as consistently (inconsistently) as my s59's.
I know it's not the best argument in the world, but I'm pretty sure a scratch player would be able to shoot a decent score with my sticks. I know if I make a decent swing, I'll hit a decent shot and for the moment, that's fine by me
I'm 5ft9, medium build and have an average to quick swing. At the moment, I've got some stiff Ping s59's with the red dot (1° flat) and they suit me absolutely fine. They feel fantastic and are more or less what I'd be recommended if I went to get fitted proper. I previously had some G5's which helped me get back into the game. These were the black dot and I hit them just as consistently (inconsistently) as my s59's.
I know it's not the best argument in the world, but I'm pretty sure a scratch player would be able to shoot a decent score with my sticks. I know if I make a decent swing, I'll hit a decent shot and for the moment, that's fine by me
Piece
Tour Winner
My 2ps worth... 
It is one component of a custom fit to know your 'stats'. It's another to know what equipment has the right stats for you. This is where the skill and knowledge of a proper pro fitter comes into its own.
Most may know that a stiff from one manufacturer isn't necessarily the same in another - no point wandering into a retail shop and saying I play stiff with TM driver and then choose a stiff in Ping driver without getting pro fitting advice. Those flexes aren't going to be same in a lot of cases. Not to mention loft, shaft length....
This is worth a read: http://www.customfitting.co.uk/all/pg-lab/driver-testing-what-is-standard/
Ok so it's biased towards selling a fit with PG, but underlying message is important. There is so much variation between manufacturers in flex, loft, length, etc. that we need to understand the equipment that we are getting via fit. Buying off the shelf without fit can end up a costly process as you chop and change, seeking the holy grail of clubs.
It is one component of a custom fit to know your 'stats'. It's another to know what equipment has the right stats for you. This is where the skill and knowledge of a proper pro fitter comes into its own.
Most may know that a stiff from one manufacturer isn't necessarily the same in another - no point wandering into a retail shop and saying I play stiff with TM driver and then choose a stiff in Ping driver without getting pro fitting advice. Those flexes aren't going to be same in a lot of cases. Not to mention loft, shaft length....
This is worth a read: http://www.customfitting.co.uk/all/pg-lab/driver-testing-what-is-standard/
Ok so it's biased towards selling a fit with PG, but underlying message is important. There is so much variation between manufacturers in flex, loft, length, etc. that we need to understand the equipment that we are getting via fit. Buying off the shelf without fit can end up a costly process as you chop and change, seeking the holy grail of clubs.
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thecraw
Guest
Like most people, I would love to be able to get custom fit. However, there's not a cat in hell's chance of me affording that any time soon.
I'm 5ft9, medium build and have an average to quick swing. At the moment, I've got some stiff Ping s59's with the red dot (1° flat) and they suit me absolutely fine. They feel fantastic and are more or less what I'd be recommended if I went to get fitted proper. I previously had some G5's which helped me get back into the game. These were the black dot and I hit them just as consistently (inconsistently) as my s59's.
I know it's not the best argument in the world, but I'm pretty sure a scratch player would be able to shoot a decent score with my sticks. I know if I make a decent swing, I'll hit a decent shot and for the moment, that's fine by me
Great set of sticks, certainly better than the 58 & 57 in my opinion.
jimbob.someroo
Journeyman Pro
I love them. I get so much stop from the short irons and ended up selling a Ping Tour-W 48° because the standard wedge in the set was that good.
The feeling when I actually strike a long iron pure is the nicest of anything I've hit since my old set of Ping Eye 2's
mcbroon
Journeyman Pro
Lot of nonsense, in my humble opinion.
For most handicap golfers, if they spent the money it would cost for a custom fit + new clubs (i.e. a few hundred quid) on lessons with their current equipment, it would do them more good than fitting/buying new gear.
It's not the clubs.
For most handicap golfers, if they spent the money it would cost for a custom fit + new clubs (i.e. a few hundred quid) on lessons with their current equipment, it would do them more good than fitting/buying new gear.
It's not the clubs.
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Wildrover
Tour Rookie
That's a pretty outdated view nowadays. Yes we could all benefit from lessons but there are also gains to be made from using the right equipment. You could have the sweetest swing in the world but you will get nowhere with a clubhead speed like Bubba's and a Regular shaft.
mcbroon
Journeyman Pro
Hey, I'm only 35...
It may be outdated, and I'm not saying there's no value in it at all, I'm just saying that there's more value in lessons. If you could only spend the money on one or the other, you'd get more out of a few hundred quid worth of lessons than you would out of a few hundred quid of new gear.
It may be outdated, and I'm not saying there's no value in it at all, I'm just saying that there's more value in lessons. If you could only spend the money on one or the other, you'd get more out of a few hundred quid worth of lessons than you would out of a few hundred quid of new gear.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Hey, I'm only 35...
It may be outdated, and I'm not saying there's no value in it at all, I'm just saying that there's more value in lessons. If you could only spend the money on one or the other, you'd get more out of a few hundred quid worth of lessons than you would out of a few hundred quid of new gear.
Maybe, maybe not.
There is no question that custom fitting or equipment changes is not a substitute for lessons or practice, but which one is more needed varies between players. There are plenty of players who have lessons and practice and are making progress with their swings but have equipment that is unsuitable or that fails to optimise their ability.
There are also players who have suitable equipment but a dodgy swing and need lessons. It isn't one of the other, it is horses for courses.
Perhaps if you got custom fitted you would have gone somewhere since April?
Mungoscorner
Journeyman Pro
Is the correct answer.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Back to the original point.
Anyone remember if the manufactures created the demand for custom fit or did demand dictate they offer the service?
(presumably after club golfers sought it out having had far more more access to info on the services the pro's receive)
Anyone remember if the manufactures created the demand for custom fit or did demand dictate they offer the service?
(presumably after club golfers sought it out having had far more more access to info on the services the pro's receive)
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Snelly
Guest
Not really. There is no hard and fast rule on this.
I have never paid for a lesson in my life and I am not bad.
......................can't believe I am defending custom fitting....!
mcbroon
Journeyman Pro
Ha ha, maybe - would custom fitting stop me duffing chip shots? I haven't practised or played enough, so I reckon I'd be just as bad, but with custom fitted clubs.
I'm not saying it's an absolute, which is why my original post says 'for most handicap golfers'. Clearly there will be golfers out there with really inappropriate gear which holds them back and changing it will be to their benefit, while others will be able to get it round in level par using hickory shafts and a Dunlop 65i ball without ever meeting a pro. However, I do think that, for the majority, lessons are better value than custom fitted clubs.
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Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Can you custome fitted for a chipper?
Ethan
Money List Winner
I think you are arguing against a proposition that nobody has made - that custom fitting is a panacea for all golfing problems. It clearly isn't.
But there loads of handicap golfers using unsuitable equipment - drivers with too little loft and/or shafts which are too stiff or otherwise unsuitable, or irons with heavier shafts than they need. Not all of them need a detailed custom fit with lasers and NASA scientists, but some would benefit from 15 minutes on a launch monitor with a competent pro. Then the pro could order more suitable equipment, or make alterations. In most cases that fitting should be free and the equipment would cost no more than a standard set and in some cases might only involve building up grips or cutting an inch off a driver shaft.
Doing this is not mutually exclusive with lessons. During CF sessions, most pros will point to swing issues too.
