Custom Fit!

[tigerwes]

Quite a few of us have watched the Orka fitting, and I have to say I'm planning on getting a set in a few months.

But looking at the video and having being fit for some clubs previously I've noticed after you've being "fitted" for the clubs. They then change the lie & grip. Wouldn't this change the ball flight, dispersion etc?

Surely the 1st thing should be to get the correct grip size and lie angle. You then hit different shaft/head combinations with clubs set to those specs.

To be fitted to something and then change it doesn't really make sense. Or am I missing something.

 

[garyinderry]

Sound logic there.


I'd take the dispersion readings with a pinch of salt.

For example. I can stand at our range and hit balls straight over a big light pole directly infront of a certain bay. Ball after ball. Mo norman style.
Then from the same bay, Pick a differnt target off to the left or right and that robotic accuracy isn't there.

 

[Orikoru]

I do find it weird when they choose the grip at the end. I thought you'd do that at the start so you're actually hitting with it.

 

[fundy]

I do find it weird when they choose the grip at the end. I thought you'd do that at the start so you're actually hitting with it.

you expect them to have every shaft with every variant of grip on? or you expecting them to fit a new grip and wait for it to dry?

likewise with loft/lie does the op expect them to hold each different head in each different combination?

what you will find is the right fitter/builder will work out your specs as per vids then build you a club to try in that spec before committing to purchasing

 

[hacker_al]

In my fitting with both ping and orka the lie has been altered during the fitting.

No idea if everyone does this but I'd imagine it's a necessary part of the process.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Mizuno fitting has the heads in standard, flat and upright lies; once the lie angle is determined the appropriate head is used for the rest of the testing.

 

[GG26]

Agree that the first thing Ping did was to determine the appropriate lie angle. The grip was determined simply by measuring my hand at the end of the fitting.

 

[Curls]

Mizuno fitting has the heads in standard, flat and upright lies; once the lie angle is determined the appropriate head is used for the rest of the testing.

+1 for Mizuno fitting, went to a “fitting day” at a local club and they had every option under the sun plus a fitter from HQ in Scotland so you get the same experience as going there of Bearwood Lakes

Ps don’t know enough about it really OP but your comment stands to reason, certainly with regards lie angle anyway. Grip size will make you more or less handsy but I don’t think it’ll affect the flight (again I could be wrong), which is what the lie angle and shaft combination should do

 

[Imurg]

Agree that the first thing Ping did was to determine the appropriate lie angle. The grip was determined simply by measuring my hand at the end of the fitting.

But did they use a lie board..?
Because they...well, lie!

 

[GG26]

But did they use a lie board..?
Because they...well, lie!

That's what they use. Started me on red dot (1 degree flat) due to my height, then went to neutral (black dot) and ended up with blue dot (1 degree upright). This was queried by a Ping mobile fitter at our club last Summer and he made me use the lie board again and that again suggested blue dot.

I guess they have to use some way of working out the correct lie angle. Is there something that would give a better indication?

 

[robbeh32]

That's what they use. Started me on red dot (1 degree flat) due to my height, then went to neutral (black dot) and ended up with blue dot (1 degree upright). This was queried by a Ping mobile fitter at our club last Summer and he made me use the lie board again and that again suggested blue dot.

I guess they have to use some way of working out the correct lie angle. Is there something that would give a better indication?

Yes some powdered spray on the face of the club will tell your lie better than a lie board. Apparently.

 

[GG26]

Our pro shop sent out an email earlier in the week to say that they were selling off the demo Mizuno ST190 drivers at half price. As I was considering a ST200, which is only likely to give an incremental benefit, I put my name down for one of these and went down to the club this morning to get fitted for the shaft.

Hitting my own driver (Nike Vapor Fly with 50g stock stiff shaft), which I had set at 9.5 degrees, I was only achieving a launch angle of between 7 and 9 degrees. The pro suggested that I should be in the 15 to 18 degree range. I tried the ST190G and it was then suggested that I tried the HL (high loft) version. First tried with the regular shaft and then the stiff shaft. The stiff shaft gave better consistency and distance and with the club set at 10.5 degrees got the average launch angle up to nearer 15 degrees. Also tried the club set at 11.5 degrees, but the results were not as good I settled on 10.5 degrees. Must admit that I never saw me using the HL version, but the results on the monitor suggested that I hit this the best (carry distance between 190-210 yards with ball speed varying between 125 to 131 mph). Looking forward to seeing how this performs on the course when we eventially get some dry weather.

 

[Imurg]

That's what they use. Started me on red dot (1 degree flat) due to my height, then went to neutral (black dot) and ended up with blue dot (1 degree upright). This was queried by a Ping mobile fitter at our club last Summer and he made me use the lie board again and that again suggested blue dot.

I guess they have to use some way of working out the correct lie angle. Is there something that would give a better indication?

Best way is using a launch monitor that looks at what the club head is doing as well as what the ball is doing
Most of the Youtubers have GC Quad that gives dynamic lie amongst other things
The problem with the lie board is that although it's quite thin it still doesn't give an accurate representation of your normal swing.
The ball sits higher for a start..

 

[MendieGK]

There’s a good video around lie boards made my TXG. If someone is finding the middle of the face but is 4 degrees toe down you shouldn’t make them 4 upright.

A lie board will have a black mark heavy on the toe and indicate you should.

 

[RangeMonkey]

Yes some powdered spray on the face of the club will tell your lie better than a lie board. Apparently.

I’m afraid that you don’t need to know anything about golf to know that that’s just nonsense.

There is absolutely no way of knowing the lie angle from the ball strike position. That’s just simple maths and geometry.

There is a club manufacturer/fitter that uses the strike position to set the lie angle, what I’d ask is, how does he know the strike position is due to lie angle, and not just because the ball was hit out of the toe or the heel?

Answer? There is absolutely no way of knowing.

In anticipation of the potential blowback from some people, I’ll ask this: does a golfer always hit every shot in the same place on the club face? If not, how can the position of a few strikes possibly indicate anything?

A launch monitor such as GCQuad Has high speed cameras that capture and measure the lie angle at the strike position during the actual swing. They don’t rely on voodoo.

 

[Imurg]

 

[Tiger man]

There’s a good video around lie boards made my TXG. If someone is finding the middle of the face but is 4 degrees toe down you shouldn’t make them 4 upright.

A lie board will have a black mark heavy on the toe and indicate you should.

Why not? Surely a

 

[Tiger man]

Sorry phones going nuts. So surely a centre hit just means You are stood the correct distance away with the right length shaft? Lie could be anything and as long as you stand on something the same thickness as a lie board what's inaccurate about that? genuinely interested not after an argument!

 

[MendieGK]

Sorry phones going nuts. So surely a centre hit just means You are stood the correct distance away with the right length shaft? Lie could be anything and as long as you stand on something the same thickness as a lie board what's inaccurate about that? genuinely interested not after an argument!

Strike coupled with flight direction.

Watch the video above it will probably make more sense than what I can put in text.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I understand the logic of the OP post but I know Orka offer a free adjustment service for life when I went for my Ping custom fit, when the clubs were delivered I went back to the fitter and hit balls on the simulator again to check the numbers matched what I got in the original fitting and had the loft and lies checked

In a similar tone to the post about teaching professionals, I do think there is a vast difference in fittings and the knowledge involved in the process. I have had poor ones from a high street store and a very so-so one from a club pro, to some top class fittings on demo days and through specialised booked fittings