Credibility and morals of the Catholic Church

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Just wondering on everyone's thoughts of how the Catholic Church can ever recover from this latest sex scandal by Cardinal O'Brien.

There seems to be a horrendous history of cover up after cover up. Add in the lies and deceit over the years including Cardinal O'Brien's initial statement saying it was all lies and he would contest the allegations to suddenly admitting his behaviour had "fallen beneath the standards expected of me!"

Absolute hypocrisy of the highest order coming from within.


Discuss and try to keep it civil. This is a hot potato in the news up here and I would also guess throughout the world by now.
 
Whats to recover? The Catholic Church has been myred in scandal for decades and it survives.
A religion of such scale wont fail on the strength of some admissions of knobbeling, the followers are brainwashed to forgive sin when forgiveness is sought. A bit of a flaw really as Dogma points out quite illustratively.

Just my opinion if course.
 
GreiginFife said:
Whats to recover? The Catholic Church has been myred in scandal for decades and it survives.
A religion of such scale wont fail on the strength of some admissions of knobbeling, the followers are brainwashed to forgive sin when forgiveness is sought. A bit of a flaw really as Dogma points out quite illustratively.

Just my opinion if course.
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Brainwashed being the operative word. In my opinion, religion is outdated. Surely people in this day and age don't need to live in fear of some priest or minister who want to heap guilt on them for everything they do?

I'm quite capable of knowing what's morally right and wrong without being preached to by a complete hypocrite like obrien.
 
I am just watching the news and cannot believe what has been going on, all the lies and cover ups how can ordinary people follow this faith after all that has happend, it has been going on for year and will continue to do so for years to come.

Greg you may have a point about the brainwashing..... This hole thing is shocking.
 
I don't see why he should close the thread as it is all over the news and being discussed all over the world.

Shocking things have been going on and I think this is only the tip of the iceberg with a lot more to follow over the next few weeks.

O'Brien should be lockedup for what he has done not be delt with by his leaders as I don't think they can be trusted to deal with it.
 
Not sure all of their guys are bad. There must be a few that are actually good people.

I like the facebook page - 'Christianity. One womans lie about a one night stand that went too far':lol:
 
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anyway, are we having a sweep on when a certain mod shuts this thread? :whoo:

13 minutes past midnight
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It'll only be shut down if it becomes a mud throwing contest. As I said this is a huge hot potato at present and in the news the world over. The thing that I find most bizarre is that I'm not surprised and even less surprised that its been hushed up for years yet again.

Even after all the child abuse scandal where promises of transparency were promised we are still seein smoke and mirrors and cloak and daggers. Will faith ever be restored or even honesty?
 
Bomber69 said:
I don't see why he should close the thread as it is all over the news and being discussed all over the world.

Shocking things have been going on and I think this is only the tip of the iceberg with a lot more to follow over the next few weeks.

O'Brien should be lockedup for what he has done not be delt with by his leaders as I don't think they can be trusted to deal with it.
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The problem this creates is that if all of the allegations are true and proven/admitted it cannot NOT become a matter of law. If it doesnt then the church is above the law and its THAT that most people will have trouble accepting.
 
Isn't brainwashing what religions are really all about?

And anyone with even a basic knowledge of history will realise that the Catholic Church has never had any morals.
 
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Bomber69 said:
I am just watching the news and cannot believe what has been going on, all the lies and cover ups how can ordinary people follow this faith after all that has happend, it has been going on for year and will continue to do so for years to come.

Greg you may have a point about the brainwashing..... This hole thing is shocking.
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Said the Cardinal to the Priest... Ithangewe...
 
This type of filth goes on world wide but the fact it's an arm of religion means it gets more coverage and rightly so but it isn't just religious groups that are up to no good let's not kid ourselves.
 
If this thread is mainly based on child abuse claims, I think it needs to be looked at in two ways.

The catholic church has a lot to be embarassed about over the centuries, so does the Britsh empire, so does Islam, so does the protestant church. I am a catholic, but I think I can discuss this sensibly, can others?

Some people will always look to bash the catholic church at any opportunity.

It is a very fair point to ask, has the catholic church covered up and harboured paedophiles - no doubt.

Has the BBC, Government, local councils, youth organisations also done this - no doubt.

To say that the catholic church alone has done this is wrong. However, the catholic church more than the others has a moral obligation to expose these people, but to say that they are the only ones is patently wrong.

Credibility - not all of the church indulges in this horrendous behaviour, and they should be rooted out. It should not change the message to catholics, but the medium it is done through should be more tightly policed.

Oh yes, and dont forget the catholic church also does a lot of good things.
 
There are bad apples in every crop and they get found out eventually. Over 1 billion Catholics will ensure the religion continues and flourishes in many countries but I will say it is on its backside in this country.

The Catholic Church in Britian is dying, with or without the scandals. There are fewer and fewer vocations to the church and parishes are merging already.
 
GreiginFife said:
The problem this creates is that if all of the allegations are true and proven/admitted it cannot NOT become a matter of law. If it doesnt then the church is above the law and its THAT that most people will have trouble accepting.
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Unfortunately he will not be taken to task by the law unless there is a complaint to the law (I'm led to believe) which hasn't happened yet.
 
In terms of positions of [inherent] trust, I'm not sure you can compare the family priest with a government official. This is why it gets coverage. These people have done this and hid behind the religion as a shield.
No doubt it goes on elsewhere but not with the level of irony that a church, a shining beacon of al that is moral, right and just Brings to the situation its inevitible that it will be scrutinised more than anything else.
 
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