Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Deleted member 21784]

So a World wide pandemic that has put the global economy into chaos needs spelling out on how it will decimate the previous budget plans. We will hear soon enough how we will need to tighten our belts, the timing may not suit some but the Government may just have a few other things on and some rather difficult plans to make rather than apologising to a bunch of pedants that their manifesto needs changing. get real for crying out load.

More than one way out of a recession though. We could plough Into construction projects

Housing shortage hasn't gone away
Would create jobs for people
Would bring in lot of tax aswell

Maybe build some of those new hospitals they promised and staff them

Invest in cleaner transport

All creates jobs , raises money . Without the need for cuts cuts cuts

 

[Foxholer]

So a World wide pandemic that has put the global economy into chaos needs spelling out on how it will decimate the previous budget plans. We will hear soon enough how we will need to tighten our belts, the timing may not suit some but the Government may just have a few other things on and some rather difficult plans to make rather than apologising to a bunch of pedants that their manifesto needs changing. get real for crying out load.

Doesn't change the obligations/implications of what a Manifesto is! No doubt there would be (more difficult/expensive) alternatives!
If the Manifesto has to change, then so be it. But a Government elected on a specific Manifesto (promises to the electorate), that subsequently breaks those promises, needs to explain the reasons for doing so! Whether the electorate accepts those reasons is up to the electorate!

 

[Old Skier]

Doesn't change the obligations/implications of what a Manifesto is! No doubt there would be (more difficult/expensive) alternatives!
If the Manifesto has to change, then so be it. But a Government elected on a specific Manifesto (promises to the electorate), that subsequently breaks those promises, needs to explain the reasons for doing so! Whether the electorate accepts those reasons is up to the electorate!

Ask the electorate what the governments manifesto promises was I suspect 90% wil shrug their shoulders and look at you blankly.

 

[SocketRocket]

More than one way out of a recession though. We could plough Into construction projects

Housing shortage hasn't gone away
Would create jobs for people
Would bring in lot of tax aswell

Maybe build some of those new hospitals they promised and staff them

Invest in cleaner transport

All creates jobs , raises money . Without the need for cuts cuts cuts

I'm not disagreeing with that. Did you think I should?
I would only say that tax returns from government money is not a gain.

 

[Old Skier]

More than one way out of a recession though. We could plough Into construction projects

Housing shortage hasn't gone away
Would create jobs for people
Would bring in lot of tax aswell

Maybe build some of those new hospitals they promised and staff them

Invest in cleaner transport

All creates jobs , raises money . Without the need for cuts cuts cuts

Good idea, could I request the A303 goes to the top of the list.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I'm not disagreeing with that. Did you think I should?
I would only say that tax returns from government money is not a gain.

It is if you get mass employment encouraging people to spend again boosting the economy and bringing in even more tax

Whilst on the flip side taking people off universal credits

So instead of paying out for people they pay out for investment in people that brings back money

We need a massive boost to get the economy going again and with the dreaded b word on way it really is time to rebuild the entire country from top to bottom

Make a future for our kids not make our kids wish for a future we had

 

[MegaSteve]

Ask the electorate what the governments manifesto promises was I suspect 90% wil shrug their shoulders and look at you blankly.

I am fairly confident the press will happily remind those amongst the electorate who require their memories jogging...

 

[Ethan]

You will notice I corrected that typo.

Grrat. Nothing on Johnson to acknowledge he did say as I suggested he did?

 

[DanFST]

What is a minser?

Johnson repeated the promise in July. Read this

I know that it is, as with most of his other utterances, a lie, but I didn't make him say it. Surely even you must realise that?

I would be more than happy to see him break it, given the exceptional circumstances, so long as he did the same with Brexit for the same reasons.

Assuming you were even more annoyed by the Lib Dems in 2012.
It seems as if politicians lie.....

 

[Blue in Munich]

Assuming you were even more annoyed by the Lib Dems in 2012.
It seems as if politicians lie.....

But only when their lips are moving.

 

[MegaSteve]

A short message to Rishi just in case he keeps a watchful eye on forum utterances...

Touch the triple lock at your peril ...

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I did not attack the government - I said that I hoped they'd reconsider ending the ban on evictions. I then said that if they didn't then that would be their choice to put many people and families at risk of eviction. THAT is what I said.

And let's not forget that some here are not great fans of such government intervention and support. However it is excellent news that they have extended the ban on evictions and gone further to make it necessary for landlords to give 6months notice.

Another poster in response to mine suggested somewhat sarcastically that it was all the governments fault - I did not suggest it was (whatever it was) - and another asked - what do you suggest should happen? Well the government has answered that question - and so I might be tempted to ask those who disagreed with the substance or the tone of my couple of posts on the matter - what do you suggest they should have done? Because oviously there was some push back against my hope of an extension.

I wonder why, in this case, you haven't jumped in to accuse the government of a "U turn". For which you have "previous" -
Haven't you missed an opportunity to slag off Johnson and Co?
You're slipping?

 

[drdel]

It might be worth noting that evictions aren't banned: it's the Court process that are on hold with a substantial backlog.

 

[Foxholer]

It might be worth noting that evictions aren't banned: it's the Court process that are on hold with a substantial backlog.

And the effect is....that evictions are/continue to be 'banned'!
Putting the Court process on hold is the mechanism by which 'evictions are banned', which is what virtually every report I've seen states! In his interview, Housing Minister Jenrick described it as a 'stay', but that was, typically, misquoted by at least 1 rag!

 

[Ethan]

I wonder why, in this case, you haven't jumped in to accuse the government of a "U turn". For which you have "previous" -
Haven't you missed an opportunity to slag off Johnson and Co?
You're slipping?

A U-turn is generally when political pressure or other external forces make the Govt go back on a plan, even though they really don't want to. There is no virtue in that.

On those rare occasions when a Gift realises a policy is unwise and it is responsible to change it, that is more akin to learning and should usually be applauded.

Johnson doubling down on the manifesto pledge (and other Ministers have done the same), despite the massive financial defects of Covid suggests that learning is not part of his process. But political and economic pressure will force his hand, if his hand is even still on the wheel early next year.

All political parties are the same in this respect. Certitude seems to be an overvalued political virtue, even when it runs against all reasonable evidence.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Neither Sunak or 'Government ' have any money.

Any giveaways will add to the UK £2tn debt which is accruing interest: it is not FREE, it must be repaid via taxes.

Householders who have used the mortgage payment holiday have not had an interest holiday.

In general the UK has been pretty generous compared to many nations but economic realism must start to come into play.

That first line is bookmarked and reserved for the next Scotland saved by Westminster post.

 

[SocketRocket]

Grrat. Nothing on Johnson to acknowledge he did say as I suggested he did?

What's a 'Grrat' ?

I have already explained my view on the matter, just as you have, nothing has changed my view so why would I wish to comment further?

 

[SocketRocket]

That first line is bookmarked and reserved for the next Scotland saved by Westminster post.

Its correct, they've sent too much North ?

 

[Ethan]

I have already explained my view on the matter, just as you have, nothing has changed my view so why would I wish to comment further?

You haven't explained anything. You said that you thought it was OK to change the pledge due to coronavirus, but I pointed out that he had recently stood by it, but you have not explained whether you think that was wise or wether that commitment means anything.

 

[SocketRocket]

You haven't explained anything. You said that you thought it was OK to change the pledge due to coronavirus, but I pointed out that he had recently stood by it, but you have not explained whether you think that was wise or wether that commitment means anything.

I have explained something, try to keep up.
I said its unreasonable to suggest the government cannot digress fiscally from their manifesto due to he Corona virus pandemic and I stand by that but if they want to keep to their manifesto then that's something for them to figure out.