Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[drdel]

Yup - divert to the unions.

Meanwhile we learn of more £millions spent on masks not fit for use in the NHS...

Let;'s see how that can be diverted onto Labour or the Unions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841

Oh yes - our Test & Trace system - World Beating - according to our PM today - as officials in the department and the boss of Serco say it's got a way to go - and as the number of 2nd tier contacts made falls. Why should I believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

Meanwhile the Tory-boys will form the wagons into a circle and defend very stoutly the whole sorry shower.

You may wish to know nobody in government specified these masks. The independent test discovered that some of the 'over the ear' were not satisfactory in certain NHS settings.

If you look at the masked used by other nations you will see the majority are 'over the ear' often supplemented by a face shield.

IMO your 'Tory boy' comment merely demonstrates childishness.

 

[Billysboots]

You know, it really is long overdue that our glorious press started to add some context to their reporting. I’m sure I’m not alone in getting very tired of seeing numbers with no story behind them.

All we have heard is that cases are on the rise, the second wave is coming, blah, blah. Well, here’s some context which nobody in the scaremongering press seems to want to share. Leicester has seen such a high infection rate that the city has been subject of an extended lockdown. The numbers are frightening. Well, in isolation they are.

But, for all the scaremongering, how many patients are currently in the county’s hospitals having tested positive for COVID-19? Just eighteen. And of those eighteen, how many do you think are in ICU? Three.

Deaths continue to fall. Hospitalisations continue to fall. Could it be, perhaps, that mass targeted testing is capturing higher numbers of positive tests? Could it? Maybe the actual infection rate is the same, or even lower, than it was in March and April, but our massively increased testing capacity suggests otherwise.

Come on, press hacks. Get off your lazy backsides and do some investigation.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You may wish to know nobody in government specified these masks. The independent test discovered that some of the 'over the ear' were not satisfactory in certain NHS settings.

If you look at the masked used by other nations you will see the majority are 'over the ear' often supplemented by a face shield.

IMO your 'Tory boy' comment merely demonstrates childishness.

My understanding is that Ayanda ordered them based upon a specification provided to them by the government.

Tim Horlick, CEO of Ayanda Capital, has insisted the masks are not unsafe or unusable, adding that none of his company’s products have ever been rejected by DHSC for any reason: “The masks met all Government specifications and standards, the masks are not unusable or unsafe and the Government has not wasted any money in purchasing these masks.”

BTW - I am not the only poster on here to refer to Tory-Boys when the wagons are circled - but you choose to attack me? Whatever...maybe I am a snowflake but I don't get upset about it...and I don't criticise those who use it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I never though I would see a Forum that produces more thin whataboutary than Pie and Bovril.

 

[Foxholer]

You may wish to know nobody in government specified these masks. The independent test discovered that some of the 'over the ear' were not satisfactory in certain NHS settings.

If you look at the masked used by other nations you will see the majority are 'over the ear' often supplemented by a face shield.

IMO your 'Tory boy' comment merely demonstrates childishness.

So are you saying this excerpt from a BBC report is bollocks?

'Fifty million face masks bought by the UK government in April will not be used in the NHS because of safety concerns.
The government says the masks, which use ear-loop fastenings rather than head loops, may not fit tightly enough.
They were bought for NHS England healthcare workers from supplier Ayanda Capital as part of a £252m contract.
Ayanda says the masks met the specifications No 10 had set out. The PM said he was "disappointed" that any protective kit should be unfit for use.'

I would consider 'disappointed' as a serious understatement!
Seems an expensive blunder in specs imo!

 

[SocketRocket]

So are you saying this excerpt from a BBC report is bollocks?

'Fifty million face masks bought by the UK government in April will not be used in the NHS because of safety concerns.
The government says the masks, which use ear-loop fastenings rather than head loops, may not fit tightly enough.
They were bought for NHS England healthcare workers from supplier Ayanda Capital as part of a £252m contract.
Ayanda says the masks met the specifications No 10 had set out. The PM said he was "disappointed" that any protective kit should be unfit for use.'

I would consider 'disappointed' as a serious understatement!
Seems an expensive blunder in specs imo!

Do you believe No 10 set out the specifications. Really!

 

[Foxholer]

Do you believe No 10 set out the specifications. Really!

Well if not, somebody's lying!

 

[SocketRocket]

Well if not, somebody's lying!

Are there actually people working in No 10 who make specifications for equipment, they must have a lot of people working there.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

What really gets my goat in this is the term "world beating"

For example "world beating track and trace app"

Why do we as Brits have to top people? Just get one that blooming works

I don't care if you pay someone else to use their app idea just get a working system

Doesn't need to beat the rest

Just match them

 

[Old Skier]

Are there actually people working in No 10 who make specifications for equipment, they must have a lot of people working there.

I think he’s sensible enough to know that the specs would have been given to No 10 by some so called expert even though he’s playing dumb.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Their eyes are blind to the personal fortunes of the union leaders and others on the left.

This has to be the worst post you ever posted on this thread.
I posted the link and 6 people comment on it, straight away the tory apologist comes along gets called out and instead of condemning it, regardless of political affiliation and whose in Government it’s a disgrace, you agree with the nonsense posted in who you responded to and deflect it it on to us posters and the Unions!

How about discussing/posting on the subject instead of going for the “left” comment, especially when you get so precious when people label you as a tory.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think he’s sensible enough to know that the specs would have been given to No 10 by some so called expert even though he’s playing dumb.

If it’s supplied by No10, then it is issued with No10 authority and they have responsibility.

 

[Foxholer]

Are there actually people working in No 10 who make specifications for equipment, they must have a lot of people working there.

I don't care! Either #10 made the specs (like you, I doubt it), they approved the specs (far more likely), or the company (apparently closely associated with #10) providing the PPE is lying! Your choice!

 

[Old Skier]

If it’s supplied by No10, then it is issued with No10 authority and they have responsibility.

Agreed, perhaps they should seriously look at the person giving them the specs

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't care! Either #10 made the specs (like you, I doubt it), they approved the specs (far more likely), or the company (apparently closely associated with #10) providing the PPE is lying! Your choice!

Or, people in the NHS made the specs, someone in the NHS procurement ordered it and someone signed it off for the government. There will be Government procedures that will allow certain procurement methods to be shortcut where the purchase is for equipment to cope with emergency measures. Unfortunatly speeding up such systems do open things up for errors, but when needs must.

 

[Hobbit]

The MHRA, medicines and healthcare regulatory agency, determines the spec for medicines and medical devices are acceptably safe for use by healthcare professionals. Its a dept within the Dept of Health and Social Care. No product is authorised for use until its been across their desk.

The PPE ordered by NHS Procurement will have long since(years) had its spec approved by the MHRA. That spec will have been in the tender to supply.

However, there's a number of questions that need answering over this order, one of which is more to do with best price. There are laws about which companies are awarded contracts of this magnitude. How the hell did an equity company with no previous experience of ordering medical equipment get awarded this contract? There is a tendering process, and I can't remember its name, which sees all tenders over a certain value advertised in a European Journal, but the UK is out of Europe. I sincerely hope that process hasn't been dropped! How come only one company replied? When did this company get onto the 'preferred supplier's list?' A significant number of equity companies operate in this field - where were they? The £50m order will be paid for over a period of years, hence buying through an equity company.

 

[huds1475]

There is a tendering process, and I can't remember its name, which sees all tenders over a certain value advertised in a European Journal,

Not sure its a process, just public sector contracts > some theshold have to be published in the OJEU?

Been a while since I've been involved commercially in a meaty public sector procurement so memory a bit hazy too!!

 

[Hobbit]

Not sure its a process, just public sector contracts > some theshold have to be published in the OJEU?

Been a while since I've been involved commercially in a meaty public sector procurement so memory a bit hazy too!!

Got it! OJEC.

 

[Mudball]

Dodgy deals and back handers in the midst of a crisis, wow would never have thought it!
Can’t wait for the scandal documentaries in a couple of years.

“Loose change - COVID-19” August 2022

I rather prefer the titles

"Covid 19 UnMasked - Lies, Bribes and Incompetence" Aug 2022

 

[Foxholer]

Are there actually people working in No 10 who make specifications for equipment, they must have a lot of people working there.

Almost certainly not. But nobody stated there was. Seems like you've misinterpreted some of the text n the article (actually, easily done in this case)! Try reading it again! Hint...Put a larger gap between 'had' and 'set out'!