Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

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Kaz said:
The govt has been dealing with the virus for months and yet they still manage to screw up simple stuff like this. It's so depressing.
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Why is there the delay? The cynic in me says that they getting this out there and waiting to hear the reaction - so that if they don't like the sound of the reaction they can tweak the 'ask' of us. I can't think of any reason for such a delay. Just mandate it.

A couple of days notice is surely sufficient. If it matters then it matters now. And if it isn't 'now' then it can't matter that much - and when something we don't really want to do doesn't seem to matter that much we are less likely to do it.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Why is there the delay? The cynic in me says that they getting this out there and waiting to hear the reaction - so that if they don't like the sound of the reaction they can tweak the 'ask' of us. I can't think of any reason for such a delay. Just mandate it.

A couple of days notice is surely sufficient. If it matters then it matters now. And if it isn't 'now' then it can't matter that much - and when something we don't really want to do doesn't seem to matter that much we are less likely to do it.
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Incompetence, pure and simple.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Why is there the delay? The cynic in me says that they getting this out there and waiting to hear the reaction - so that if they don't like the sound of the reaction they can tweak the 'ask' of us. I can't think of any reason for such a delay. Just mandate it.

A couple of days notice is surely sufficient. If it matters then it matters now. And if it isn't 'now' then it can't matter that much - and when something we don't really want to do doesn't seem to matter that much we are less likely to do it.
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The delay is simple. Go online and since this change of policy, public demand has already swept up huge numbers of masks and so delivery times are now being delayed until next week if not longer. What happens then, for example if you are shopping for vulnerable parents still shielding. You won't be allowed in any shop (and possibly fined). Give the majority time to get themselves sorted (and even ordering the day before yesterday would mean most are only being delivered yesterday or the next few days depending on whether express deliver or standard postage was paid). At that time it's right to enforce strictly and no mask = no entry. I thought masks were already mandatory at train stations and people wouldn't be allowed access to the complex or on trains but sit on any train I've been on and people are flouting this especially the 16-30 age grouo
 
HomerJSimpson said:
The delay is simple. Go online and since this change of policy, public demand has already swept up huge numbers of masks and so delivery times are now being delayed until next week if not longer. What happens then, for example if you are shopping for vulnerable parents still shielding. You won't be allowed in any shop (and possibly fined). Give the majority time to get themselves sorted (and even ordering the day before yesterday would mean most are only being delivered yesterday or the next few days depending on whether express deliver or standard postage was paid). At that time it's right to enforce strictly and no mask = no entry. I thought masks were already mandatory at train stations and people wouldn't be allowed access to the complex or on trains but sit on any train I've been on and people are flouting this especially the 16-30 age grouo
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Which is logical ... but if you were planning to make masks mandatory for going into shops then you'd have a plan to avoid, or minimise the impact of, the problem that you have identified. Because if masks will be required in ten days time then I suggest that they are required now.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Which is logical ... but if you were planning to make masks mandatory for going into shops then you'd have a plan to avoid, or minimise the impact of, the problem that you have identified. Because if masks will be required in ten days time then I suggest that they are required now.
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*yawn, yawn, yawn* more rubbish.... If you made a decision to implement something today would you expect retailers to have stock today? Obviously, if you were intelligent, the answer is no!!!

But if you hate Boris and the Tories with a passion you'd let intelligence fly out of the window, and reply like an idiot. Well, there's a shock!!!
 
HomerJSimpson said:
The delay is simple. Go online and since this change of policy, public demand has already swept up huge numbers of masks and so delivery times are now being delayed until next week if not longer. What happens then, for example if you are shopping for vulnerable parents still shielding. You won't be allowed in any shop (and possibly fined). Give the majority time to get themselves sorted (and even ordering the day before yesterday would mean most are only being delivered yesterday or the next few days depending on whether express deliver or standard postage was paid). At that time it's right to enforce strictly and no mask = no entry. I thought masks were already mandatory at train stations and people wouldn't be allowed access to the complex or on trains but sit on any train I've been on and people are flouting this especially the 16-30 age grouo
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I kinda get what you're saying, but 4 months on with a society that's been shopping every single day, that's not really an issue is it, people only having a weeks supply of food? (& particularly since any face mask will suffice)
 
Hobbit said:
*yawn, yawn, yawn* more rubbish.... If you made a decision to implement something today would you expect retailers to have stock today? Obviously, if you were intelligent, the answer is no!!!

But if you hate Boris and the Tories with a passion you'd let intelligence fly out of the window, and reply like an idiot. Well, there's a shock!!!
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Er.... we're talking about something that can be made from a pair of old socks here, not a 747...
I can't believe there's a sentient adult in the uk who couldn't source one in an hour.
 
pendodave said:
Er.... we're talking about something that can be made from a pair of old socks here, not a 747...
I can't believe there's a sentient adult in the uk who couldn't source one in an hour.
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Riiigghhtt! Something with the weave of a sock, or from an old tea towel, is acceptable... yeah, crack on, you know best...
 
Hobbit said:
Riiigghhtt! Something with the weave of a sock, or from an old tea towel, is acceptable... yeah, crack on, you know best...
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Im not offering an opinion on the veracity...
Just telling you what the guidelines say.
You know as well as anyone how little difference any of these really make...
Crack on.
 
pendodave said:
Im not offering an opinion on the veracity...
Just telling you what the guidelines say.
You know as well as anyone how little difference any of these really make...
Crack on.
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Having worked for a major manufacture for nearly 30 years, yes I do know. You obviously don't. And the mols of water vapour carrying a whatever of whatever size is...? Don't tell me, let me guess, you were an expert in bush fires around Christmas time when they had problems in Australia, and now you're an expert in surgical and FFP3 masks.

Like you said, crack on.
 
Hobbit said:
Having worked for a major manufacture for nearly 30 years, yes I do know. You obviously don't. And the mols of water vapour carrying a whatever of whatever size is...? Don't tell me, let me guess, you were an expert in bush fires around Christmas time when they had problems in Australia, and now you're an expert in surgical and FFP3 masks.

Like you said, crack on.
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Au contraire, I have no opinion. Like I said, just quoting guidelines.
I was merely pointing out that there is no need for a 14 day lead up to the introduction of govt sanctioned face coverings.
It's really not worth getting worked up about. It demeans us all.
 
Jamesbrown said:
Erm it is acceptable? It can be any covering you so wish, even if that is a teenage sock you used to have down the side of your bed!
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I'll remember to wear a tea cosy the next time I'm on a motorbike.

There is a reason different helmets, ear defenders and masks have different levels of protection.

Maybe the next time someone is going into an isolation room in Porton Down they should wear a pinny and a pretty scarf.

Seriously, ask yourself why there's different whatever depending on the risk.
 
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