Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[rudebhoy]

I'm quoting Boris from PMQ... but you know best.... obviously...

That's funny, when I watched it, Johnson came out with some stupid remark about having spoken to Starmer 'on a modern contraption called the telephone' but I don't recall him saying they had spoken by phone at least once a day.

I guess Starmer must be lying then? Funny how no one has pulled him up about it...

 

[AmandaJR]

How we expect an opposition to be in normal times is different to what I and you have expected during this crisis, ie whilst the Government deal with covid-19.

I thought we were on this thread we were discussing the opposition behaviour related to this crisis.

Hence my confusion with your post #3802.

The opposition behaviour relating to this crisis was my first point. As useful as a chocolate teapot.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The opposition behaviour relating to this crisis was my first point. As useful as a chocolate teapot.

But yet when the crisis first started you were one of the main ones on here moaning about people not getting behind the Government and supporting them, add in the fact they were going through the final weeks of Corbyn what exactly did you want from an opposition?

To claim they or anyone else in opposition was “ As useful as a chocolate teapot” is very disengenious of you.

The Government have sought help from nobody and therefore have no one else to blame or to take credit for, for everything that has come out of No10 during the crisis.

 

[AmandaJR]

But yet when the crisis first started you were one of the main ones on here moaning about people not getting behind the Government and supporting them, add in the fact they were going through the final weeks of Corbyn what exactly did you want from an opposition?

To claim they or anyone else in opposition was “ As useful as a chocolate teapot” is very disengenious of you.

The Government have sought help from nobody and therefore have no one else to blame or to take credit for, for everything that has come out of No10 during the crisis.

Her reply was indeed as useful as a chocolate teapot. If she had given any real consideration to what she would have recommended then surely the ideal opportuntity to impress us all with that - she'll never be held to account for it not happening. "I'd have ensured EVERY school had 4 laptops for every student". "I'd have emplyed millions of private tutors to visit each child daily to take lessons". etc etc.

But...no..."I'd organise a task force".

"Moaning" "Disingenuous" - what is it with the personal element of your posts? Disagree for sure but where do I resort to similar?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'm quoting Boris from PMQ... but you know best.... obviously...

He has a reputation of telling 'untruths' though.

 

[Mudball]

He has a reputation of telling 'untruths' though.

I think the word is alternate facts..

I watched the C19 briefing after a long time. BoJo was on because there was good news on the treatment front. It was worth watching him squirm and not make eye contact when responding to the summer hol kid food question. What a duchebag. There was more blister on the DFID and FCO merger..

I know this is a golfing forum and the demographics are different but I struggle to understand why some people miss the fact that child poverty in this country is very high. Easier to spot it when you are overseas but more difficult in our backyard (flame suit on)

 

[AmandaJR]

I think the word is alternate facts..

I watched the C19 briefing after a long time. BoJo was on because there was good news on the treatment front. It was worth watching him squirm and not make eye contact when responding to the summer hol kid food question. What a duchebag. There was more blister on the DFID and FCO merger..

I know this is a golfing forum and the demographics are different but I struggle to understand why some people miss the fact that child poverty in this country is very high. Easier to spot it when you are overseas but more difficult in our backyard (flame suit on)

I'm not sure people do miss the facts. There are not unlimited funds. I saw a tory MP today quote it being a blunt tool and reminding us that Gordon Brown chose not to extend the scheme through school holidays. Personally I think it may be a blunt tool and not the greatest use of funds for the vulnerable BUT if it's the best tool we've got right now then we should use it and down the line find a better system to ensure the funds get to the most needy.

The government were wrong not to extend it through the holidays and have had to change their minds - that's good news whatever way you look at it. Should it have taken Rashford etc to appeal? No.

 

[chrisd]

I'm not sure people do miss the facts. There are not unlimited funds. I saw a tory MP today quote it being a blunt tool and reminding us that Gordon Brown chose not to extend the scheme through school holidays. Personally I think it may be a blunt tool and not the greatest use of funds for the vulnerable BUT if it's the best tool we've got right now then we should use it and down the line find a better system to ensure the funds get to the most needy.

The government were wrong not to extend it through the holidays and have had to change their minds - that's good news whatever way you look at it. Should it have taken Rashford etc to appeal? No.

Good post Amanda

There are a lot of vulnerable kids and we do need to help them but I think sometimes the in power Governments need a prod to understand the public opinion. Also, having a wife who worked in primary education there were a lot of parents claiming all the freebies but were never short of a car, hairdressers eyebrows being done, the best phones.....

 

[drdel]

I think the word is alternate facts..

I watched the C19 briefing after a long time. BoJo was on because there was good news on the treatment front. It was worth watching him squirm and not make eye contact when responding to the summer hol kid food question. What a duchebag. There was more blister on the DFID and FCO merger..

I know this is a golfing forum and the demographics are different but I struggle to understand why some people miss the fact that child poverty in this country is very high. Easier to spot it when you are overseas but more difficult in our backyard (flame suit on)

You should be aware the PM usually does the Wednesday briefing!!

 

[Hacker Khan]

Good post Amanda

There are a lot of vulnerable kids and we do need to help them but I think sometimes the in power Governments need a prod to understand the public opinion. Also, having a wife who worked in primary education there were a lot of parents claiming all the freebies but were never short of a car, hairdressers eyebrows being done, the best phones.....

Being a chair of governors in an area where there are a decent proportion on free school meals and knowing what happens in schools I know that is mostly the standard BS put out by the right wing press with absolutely no evidence whatsoever apart from hearsay.

It would be nice if someone on the right could just say, this is a good thing and stop. It is a good thing that kids who may not get much in the way of proper food in the UK in 2020 will get some during the summer. End of. Without the tedious inferences out of the Katie Hopkins playbook that it is the fault of a lot of the parents for being feckless, buying 72 inch TVs, iPhone 14s or whatever crap is usually peddled out in these situations. Yes I am sure it does happen now and then. But not it is not as prominent as the Daily Telegraph wants to portray and is about 124th on the list of reasons why the kids are suffering.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Her reply was indeed as useful as a chocolate teapot. If she had given any real consideration to what she would have recommended then surely the ideal opportuntity to impress us all with that - she'll never be held to account for it not happening. "I'd have ensured EVERY school had 4 laptops for every student". "I'd have emplyed millions of private tutors to visit each child daily to take lessons". etc etc.

But...no..."I'd organise a task force".

"Moaning" "Disingenuous" - what is it with the personal element of your posts? Disagree for sure but where do I resort to similar?

Her reply is irrelevant as she or any other opposition politician will not and cannot be aware of all the facts, ie, budgets restraints etc, so why would you want yet another politician making up fairy stories, surely a task force with suitably qualified, knowledgeable people to identify the size and scope of the problem is a more honest step.

As for the moaning, disingenious comments, maybe take time to read some of what you’ve posted on this thread, the reason you started it was for your personal reason, then you actually changed the title, you’ve told posters they’ve peed you off and how sad the world is and made you want to get off and all of those comments have followed posters criticising the Government, but yet today it’s ok for you to criticise an opposition MP, so if I’ve interpreted some of your comments as moaning or disingenious then maybe you should also look at your own posting style.

 

[AmandaJR]

Her reply is irrelevant as she or any other opposition politician will not and cannot be aware of all the facts, ie, budgets restraints etc, so why would you want yet another politician making up fairy stories, surely a task force with suitably qualified, knowledgeable people to identify the size and scope of the problem is a more honest step.

As for the moaning, disingenious comments, maybe take time to read some of what you’ve posted on this thread, the reason you started it was for your personal reason, then you actually changed the title, you’ve told posters they’ve peed you off and how sad the world is and made you want to get off and all of those comments have followed posters criticising the Government, but yet todsy it’s ok for you to criticise an opposition MP, so if I’ve interpreted some of your comments as moaning or disingenious then maybe you should also look at your own posting style.

You're really not very nice. Such an angry man.

I changed the title. Why? Check the facts and remind me why don't you.

Please do find me my post where I've told posters they've peed me off. I'd very much like to be reminded of that too.

 

[chrisd]

Being a chair of governors in an area where there are a decent proportion on free school meals and knowing what happens in schools I know that is mostly the standard BS put out by the right wing press with absolutely no evidence whatsoever apart from hearsay.

It would be nice if someone on the right could just say, this is a good thing and stop. It is a good thing that kids who may not get much in the way of proper food in the UK in 2020 will get some during the summer. End of. Without the tedious inferences out of the Katie Hopkins playbook that it is the fault of a lot of the parents for being feckless, buying 72 inch TVs, iPhone 14s or whatever crap is usually peddled out in these situations. Yes I am sure it does happen now and then. But not it is not as prominent as the Daily Telegraph wants to portray and is about 124th on the list of reasons why the kids are suffering.

I'm not saying that there isn't deprivation and that many families need more help, but with due respect Mrs D worked daily in a primary school for 27 years, knew the kids and the parents and there were a fair number on benefits but the parents were not spending the money on their kids and looked for every freebie going and, yes, they did have the things I mentioned. No, not all, not even the majority but then I haven't mentioned the ones on drugs, alcoholics, those who assault their children etc etc!
I suspect when the Chair of Governers visits its like when Ofsted come

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You're really not very nice. Such an angry man.

I changed the title. Why? Check the facts and remind me why don't you.

Please do find me my post where I've told posters they've peed me off. I'd very much like to be reminded of that too.

Edited the title! "Sniping" put my slant on it

Excuse me but it's not how I listen to the news either. I attempt to make the best job at finding out the news from a trusted, non-biased, impartial public broadcaster. If they don't, imo, step up to the mark then I will, and will continue to, call them out on it. For me it's a big part of why I feel I pay my license fee.



Just because my views are likely to be polar opposite to yours does not make them wrong. Irritated as you may be by the tedious nature of them, they are mine and I'll continue to make them. I don't tell you you're wrong, or you're being tedious with your constant mentioning of something...I'd be grateful if you could do me the same courtesy.



Now you've really peed me off.

Both posts as requested, 1 changed for personal reason, 2nd when a poster peed you off.

And your perception of me, maybe as wrong of me as I am of you, as I’ve never in my life been described as angry, far from it in fact.

 

[spongebob59]

Just a thought but could the kids not go to school to get their free meals and have some tuition while they are there ?

 

[AmandaJR]

Both posts as requested, 1 changed for personal reason, 2nd when a poster peed you off.

And your perception of me, maybe as wrong of me as I am of you, as I’ve never in my life been described as angry, far from it in fact.

I thought I was doing the right thing editing the title as what I'd originally put was more personal to me and my opinion than seemed fair.

I had forgotten tell HK he peed me off BUT in my defence he also got very personal and quite insulting. Perhaps quote the whole debate to get the correct context.

Why does having different viewpoints mean it's ok to be personal and rude? I just don't get it.

I normally avoid engaging because it always has to become personal. I thought I might test to see if you'd ever let anyone with an opposing view have the last word.

I await your next response after which I'll probably give it a miss for a while again.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm not saying that there isn't deprivation and that many families need more help, but with due respect Mrs D worked daily in a primary school for 27 years, knew the kids and the parents and there were a fair number on benefits but the parents were not spending the money on their kids and looked for every freebie going and, yes, they did have the things I mentioned. No, not all, not even the majority but then I haven't mentioned the ones on drugs, alcoholics, those who assault their children etc etc!
I suspect when the Chair of Governers visits its like when Ofsted come

Its one of those subjects we have to pretend doesnt exist Chris. If you suggest 'some' parents could do more for their children you are labeled a Tory right wing extremest for suggesting 'All' parents could do more for their children. Those looking to be offended get offended and us Bald Tattooed Grandad Tory Racists once again cannot understand diddly squat.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I thought I was doing the right thing editing the title as what I'd originally put was more personal to me and my opinion than seemed fair.

I had forgotten tell HK he peed me off BUT in my defence he also got very personal and quite insulting. Perhaps quote the whole debate to get the correct context.

Why does having different viewpoints mean it's ok to be personal and rude? I just don't get it.

I normally avoid engaging because it always has to become personal. I thought I might test to see if you'd ever let anyone with an opposing view have the last word.

I await your next response after which I'll probably give it a miss for a while again.

You’ve told HK he’s peed you off as well as SILH, I didn’t know that.

Please stop with the rude comments, nowhere have I been rude, everything I’ve said I’ve backed up.

Feel free to disagree, but stop claiming I’m being rude, simply pointed out some inconsistencies in your posts which I have interpreted as moaning and disingenious.

 

[AmandaJR]

You’ve told HK he’s peed you off as well as SILH, I didn’t know that.

Please stop with the rude comments, nowhere have I been rude, everything I’ve said I’ve backed up.

Feel free to disagree, but stop claiming I’m being rude, simply pointed out some inconsistencies in your posts which I have interpreted as moaning and disingenious.

No I think it was just SILH actually. So often on here there's an unnecessary edge and snide to the debate.

Dammit - I said I'd disengage.

 

[AmandaJR]

PS How the heck do you remember what I've posted? Even I don't!